Help me with my wild 5800x, please

[kitfit1]

Remove that link straight away @Bonham, competitor links are not allowed.
As far as i'm concerned there is nothing wrong at all with having the fans set to draw air in. Unless your constantly benching a rig all day long, and you have very bad airflow.............the exhaust fans should just dump what little heat the cpu radiator fans put into the case.

 

[Bonham]

Remove that link straight away @Bonham, competitor links are not allowed.
As far as i'm concerned there is nothing wrong at all with having the fans set to draw air in. Unless your constantly benching a rig all day long, and you have very bad airflow.............the exhaust fans should just dump what little heat the cpu radiator fans put into the case.

Sorry, I substituted it for a photo, is that ok? I will remove the links from the Original post too, my bad

 

[humbug]

Interesting...
Unless those fans are somehow in reverse they are pushing The air you're feeling could be from the fan at the rear?

Are they spinning clock ways or anticlock ways? Normally the fan pushes away from the fan hub, so if the fan hub is on the outside its pushing away, tho i'm not 100%, i mean they could be designed to spin in reverse i don't know.

 

[humbug]

Nice case, the two fans at the front, if like in the picture are correct, the rad fans also look correct, can you feel any air at the top of the case when the fans are ramped up?

 

[humbug]

Get an A4 sheet of paper and rest it over the top of the case with the fans ramped up, if the paper lifts its right.

 

[Bonham]

Nice case, the two fans at the front, if like in the picture are correct, the rad fans also look correct, can you feel any air at the top of the case when the fans are ramped up?

That is the thing, I place my hand on the sides of the top part of the case, that should be jetting air out noticeably, but I feel nothing. Could it be that the air I feel that is being pushed inside the case is just bouncing back down from the plastic ceiling, instead of getting out through the sides?

 

[humbug]

That is the thing, I place my hand on the sides of the top part of the case, that should be jetting air out noticeably, but I feel nothing. Could it be that the air I feel that is being pushed inside the case is just bouncing back down from the plastic ceiling, instead of getting out through the sides?

It could be, how well ventilated is the top of the case? is there a magnetic filter over the vents? if so take it off, i don't mean the plastic mesh cage thing, like a plastic mesh sheet with magnets on one side, if so get rid of it.

 

[humbug]

There is a plastic cage on the top of that case, that comes off? Take it off and check the inside of it for protective packing materials blocking the vents, also the vents in the top of the case, check that for anything obstructing airflow, including dust filters, you don't need dust filters there.

 

[Bonham]

It could be, how well ventilated is the top of the case? is there a magnetic filter over the vents? if so take it off, i don't mean the plastic mesh cage thing, like a plastic mesh sheet with magnets on one side, if so get rid of it.

Goddam it man, the weirdness continues... I have put into practice your simple and yet utterly brilliant advice to use paper or something similar to see if it gets sucked or repelled by the fans, and placing it inside the case near the ceiling fans, it got SUCKED. So they are pushing air out, but I could swear, placing the hand instead of the paper, that the fans are pushing air inside the case.

 

[humbug]

Goddam it man, the weirdness continues... I have put into practice your simple and yet utterly brilliant advice to use paper or something similar to see if it gets sucked or repelled by the fans, and placing it inside the case near the ceiling fans, it got SUCKED. So they are pushing air out, but I could swear, placing the hand instead of the paper, that the fans are pushing air inside the case.

Feeling air move across your skin can feel the same if its in one direction or the other, its an easy mistake to make, you're just feeling the movement of the air, put that paper on the top on the case.

 

[Bonham]

Feeling air move across your skin can feel the same if its in one direction or the other, its an easy mistake to make, you're just feeling the movement of the air, put that paper on the top on the case.

So I removed the top of the case. Now its ******* ugly. The rotor high-pitched noise has decreased noticeably, and so far I have dropped with the pc completely idle with nothing in the background, 7-8 degrees celsius, so far. I will do more tests and see if this is the solution, but man, I spent good money on a good looking case to have it now looking as if it is beheaded. I wish I had been more clever before buying it. Now I am screwed because I cannot change it, I live in Spain but in a backwater town isolated from the rest of the country, the shipping costs will kill me.

Another thing that grabs my attention is that now the radiator is completely exposed in the ceiling, I have touched with my bare hands when the the Cpu said that it was 86ºC running Cinebench expecting to be burnt, but it was completely cool. Is there something wrong?

 

[humbug]

So I removed the top of the case. Now its ******* ugly. The rotor high-pitched noise has decreased noticeably, and so far I have dropped with the pc completely idle with nothing in the background, 7-8 degrees celsius, so far. I will do more tests and see if this is the solution, but man, I spent good money on a good looking case to have it now looking as if it is beheaded. I wish I had been more clever before buying it. Now I am screwed because I cannot change it, I live in Spain but in a backwater town isolated from the rest of the country, the shipping costs will kill me.

Another thing that grabs my attention is that now the radiator is completely exposed in the ceiling, I have touched with my bare hands when the the Cpu said that it was 86ºC running Cinebench expecting to be burnt, but it was completely cool. Is there something wrong?

I didn't suggest you should leave the top off, just check it for obstructions but your temps and noise are lower with the top off? If so it could be restrictive, which would be a shame, it a nice case and i can imagine it looks odd with the top off. Are you sure none of the vents are blocked by anything?

The RAD, it being cool to the touch is nothing unusual, mine is too, the CPU its self doesn't use a lot of power, but the chip its self is very dence, there isn't a lot of surface area on the chip for heat to be transferd to the heat spreader and then the cooler.

Its a thing more with the 5800X than it is with cooling, its just the way they are and them running at 90c under a high load is expected, its not really what anyone wants tho, i know i don't and so i have tweaked mine to run cooler and quieter, you can do that with some BIOS settings and it does work quite well.

Have you tried any of that yet?

 

[Alan1969]

I have a 3600XT and a couple of ryzen 3600. I dont like the auto OC at stock - mine momentarily went up to 1.46v and hence brief heat generation (although then they drop to 1.1V) - I know that they are designed for this but still. Therefore on all my 3600's I have set a static all core overclock (and "undervolt") of say 4.45ghz at 1.29 to 1.30v. I monitored heat generation and there didnt seem any heat benefit of going less than 1.29v. I could push the voltage up to say 1.35v but at say 4.55ghz the benchmarks were insignificant.

So thats my advice - set an all core static overclock at the best speed that you can achieve at say 1.30v - as I find it the best comprimise between benchmark performance with the lowest heat generation.

 

[Bonham]

I have a 3600XT and a couple of ryzen 3600. I dont like the auto OC at stock - mine momentarily went up to 1.46v and hence brief heat generation (although then they drop to 1.1V) - I know that they are designed for this but still. Therefore on all my 3600's I have set a static all core overclock (and "undervolt") of say 4.45ghz at 1.29 to 1.30v. I monitored heat generation and there didnt seem any heat benefit of going less than 1.29v. I could push the voltage up to say 1.35v but at say 4.55ghz the benchmarks were insignificant.

So thats my advice - set an all core static overclock at the best speed that you can achieve at say 1.30v - as I find it the best comprimise between benchmark performance with the lowest heat generation.

I have some screenshots about my processor values

As I said, I am a complete rookie. Can you see anything weird? are the voltages etc too high?

 

[wookiee87]

how are fan rpm's, have you got them running at a constant speed regardless of what your doing or have you setup so under load they ramp up to deal with the heat of the cpu.

i run a 5950x on air and i can tell you at auto volts my chip would easliy hit low 90's with 1.5v all at auto, so i hopped into the bios and just changed my vcore from auto to 1.38v manual and my chip is much happier boost still hits almost 5ghz on most cores but a good 20 or so degrees cooler peaking at 72 degrees, i have my cpu cooler fans on a curve so at 30-50-70 degrees my fans go from 35% to around 68% (which should be 700rpm to around 1750rpm) depending on load.

all the ryzen family run hot no matter which chip you have but as many ppl have said ryzen do like to run warm as if they get too cold they can act funny (but were talking subzero cooling at this point), the point i'm trying to make is tempratures for the masses should be in the 60-80's in gaming senarios and if your benchmarking the cpu then yes tempratures will rocket UNLESS you run a agressive undervolt and use a 360mm or bigger aio/custom loop.

 

[Bonham]

how are fan rpm's, have you got them running at a constant speed regardless of what your doing or have you setup so under load they ramp up to deal with the heat of the cpu.

i run a 5950x on air and i can tell you at auto volts my chip would easliy hit low 90's with 1.5v all at auto, so i hopped into the bios and just changed my vcore from auto to 1.38v manual and my chip is much happier boost still hits almost 5ghz on most cores but a good 20 or so degrees cooler peaking at 72 degrees, i have my cpu cooler fans on a curve so at 30-50-70 degrees my fans go from 35% to around 68% (which should be 700rpm to around 1750rpm) depending on load.

all the ryzen family run hot no matter which chip you have but as many ppl have said ryzen do like to run warm as if they get too cold they can act funny (but were talking subzero cooling at this point), the point i'm trying to make is tempratures for the masses should be in the 60-80's in gaming senarios and if your benchmarking the cpu then yes tempratures will rocket UNLESS you run a agressive undervolt and use a 360mm or bigger aio/custom loop.

This is the fan curve I have, After removing the top of the case and leaving the radiator exposed I am getting better temperatures and better idle noise, but I get peaks sometimes when I open programs, that reach around 65º until it goes down to 45º. Needless to say, the peaks are very annoying

 

[wookiee87]

This is the fan curve I have, After removing the top of the case and leaving the radiator exposed I am getting better temperatures and better idle noise, but I get peaks sometimes when I open programs, that reach around 65º until it goes down to 45º. Needless to say, the peaks are very annoying

the sudden spikes in windows are nornal on ryzen cpu's my 5950x does the same thing i get idle temps around 43 degrees and if the cpu is hit with around 10% load the temps jump to 63-67 in a instant, once what ever background app hit the cpu has finished the cpu backs down to the mid 40's again. I see my boost clocks go from 3.4ghz all the way to just under 5ghz in windows and in games i see values in the 4.7 -5.05ghz region.

if you've removed parts of your case and getting better temps then you need to look at better airflow cases to keep your temps low, or increase rpm in the case you have now to compinsate for the extra heat build up, with regard to the temp spikes on your 5800x they are completly normal and expected on amd

 

[Bonham]

the sudden spikes in windows are nornal on ryzen cpu's my 5950x does the same thing i get idle temps around 43 degrees and if the cpu is hit with around 10% load the temps jump to 63-67 in a instant, once what ever background app hit the cpu has finished the cpu backs down to the mid 40's again. I see my boost clocks go from 3.4ghz all the way to just under 5ghz in windows and in games i see values in the 4.7 -5.05ghz region.

if you've removed parts of your case and getting better temps then you need to look at better airflow cases to keep your temps low, or increase rpm in the case you have now to compinsate for the extra heat build up, with regard to the temp spikes on your 5800x they are completly normal and expected on amd

But didn't you say that you altered the voltages etc to fix it? Does the processor behave for you like that even after doing what you did? I seriously don't know how AMD thought that a processor such as this is acceptable, all my life I have been an Intel fanboy, I leaned towards AMD this time for all the songs and praises about the Ryzens and so on... I think that I should have stuck to intel, I have always bought quite potent processors from Intel and I have never had these irritations

 

[wookiee87]

But didn't you say that you altered the voltages etc to fix it? Does the processor behave for you like that even after doing what you did? I seriously don't know how AMD thought that a processor such as this is acceptable, all my life I have been an Intel fanboy, I leaned towards AMD this time for all the songs and praises about the Ryzens and so on... I think that I should have stuck to intel, I have always bought quite potent processors from Intel and I have never had these irritations

i had to undervolt my chip as at auto settings the voltages were too much i have double the amount of cores compared to you (16 vs 8) so the heat generated was like a nuclear reactor and any small load would sometimes make my pc turn off due to thermal shutdown feature, the only thing i did was set a manual voltage in my bios and enable docp for memory and hey presto my cpu was much happier and performance was amazing, i too was a intel fanboy and before this i ram a 7920x on a x299 platform and i can tell you i have no regrets moving to amd, sure a few more settings need to be tweaked to get the very best from amd but that extra time is well worth it, amd 5000 was an enormous step up in performance for me so i'm dead chuffed.

i've just seen your location melilla, spain if the tempratures are always warm (which they are) then that will affect pc tempratures drastically and make it seem that your cpu is running warm, try and ventilate the room you have the pc in and keep it out of the sun, you only have to worry if the cpu starts exceeding 90 degrees, cinebench puts a massive load on the cpu so your temps will be very hot, but as i said earlier in games they should be a good 15-20 degrees cooler, dont keep running cinebench either as that will start to wear out the cpu due to the high temps.

by all means head into the bios and set a maual voltage somewhere in the 1.3-1.38v region and sit back and enjoy the cpu, dont panic about the temp spikes either, its normal behavior for ryzen, it the long therm temps ie gaming sessions you want to worry if they plato around 75-80 thats perfect, BUT if they steaddly creap up to the 90+ region in games then there is a problem and then you need to look at the cooler, the 5800x is a 105w part and no way it should run hot anyway.

i run this cooler in push pull on my 5950x and it has no problem cooling my chip at 1.38v manual vcore and auto multiplier

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/noctua-nh-u12s-chromax-pure-black-cpu-cooler-hs-03n-nc.html

 

[Alan1969]

I have some screenshots about my processor values

As I said, I am a complete rookie. Can you see anything weird? are the voltages etc too high?

as you see from your screenshots - the base cpu is 3.8ghz and it is using 1.362v to achieve this. At this stock your cpu will do automatic overclock if there is electricity available and thermal headroom (to say around 65C) to increase the base clcok speed about this - it may even reach 4.6 ghz or more on say up to 4 cores/threads - but will increase the cpu voltage to say 1.46v. By allowing it to increase the voltage itself I think it makes un-necessary heat - I think that setting a static all core OC - where all cores can hit a high frequency (of say 4.4ghz) by using a lower vpu voltage (ie. 1.32 v - effectively undervolting it) it better for both thermals/noise and overall speed.

Basic instructions below (of course you can use different benchmarks or monitoring tools but I think that these are easier for a notice to undertstand):

1. Install Hardware monitor (HWMonitor) by CPUID
2. Install passmark performance test benchmark (I think that you can say register later, or do a free trial)
3. test your current system by running HWM first and then playing some games or doing the passmark test - see what maximum cpu clocks and voltages that you get up to (4.6ghz? and 1.46v?) and also see what max cpu temperature is achieved. write all the passmark results down and the max readings from hwm (ie. cpu volts, frequency and max cpu temp)
4. restart your pc and enter the BIOS by mashing the DEL or F2 key
5. manually type in 1300 mv into the cpu core voltage box (vcore) - I think that its usually done in mv but actually displayed as volts
6. manually type in 40 to the cpu multipler (to get 4000mhz or 4.0 ghz)
7. save the BIOS (possibly as a OC profile) and enter windows
8. load up hwm and then do the passmark performance test (you could just do the cpu part of the passmark test)
9. it should work, and if it does note that passmark result and the hwm readings and compare with your result from your stock settings. If however something goes wrong like a reboot, then turn your pc back on and go back into the BIOS and increase the cpu voltage eg. from 1.32 to 1.34v
10. keep going back into the BIOS and increase the multiplier ie. leave cpu voltage at say 1.30 or 1.32v and increase the cpu multiplier from 40 to 42 and then 44 and then 46 until it goes wrong (then dial it back a bit)
11. at 1.30v you may be able to achieve a multipler of 44 ie. 4.4ghz
12. even by setting all cores and threads to run at 4.4ghz @1.30v it only means that they actually generate heat when they are ultilised
13. if you have trouble with your BIOS then contact me back or pm me and I will try (he doesnt like me fiddling and he is always on it) and get onto my sons computer (which has a msi x570 tomahawk mobo) and I should be able to tell you what exactly to do. I usually use a gigabyte mobo and so more familiar with them.