Help problem solving PC that won't boot please

Drewb said:
I hadn't considered that, I have always gone Intel but as I am out of touch with what is what now it doesn't matter.
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Will be on the phone for possibly next 30 minutes :/ but:

I'll do an INTEL example after - especially as you have the memory...

The Ryzen 2600 or 2600X - are great value - although you don't get an iGPU. But you would still have the use of your 980Ti...
Also added a quality 450 motherboard with decent VRM cooling (could be swapped out for the cheaper Tomahawk motherboard) - so you could consider Ryzen 2 in the future...

Examples - shopping around would help prices:

This is the 2600X - both come with a decent stock cooler. I've added memory as ideally you need 3000MHz do get the best out of Ryzen CPUs but you could sell your present sticks.


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £423.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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Plain 2600:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £383.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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The trouble is your CPU is still very capable - this compared to plain 2600:

 
Oh wow thankyou for that. It doesn't look like there is any on board graphics though, or have I missed it, It seems worth having now as a backup. The raven ridge cpus which do support it don't seem as powerful.
 
I am tempted to treat myself to a M2 SSD as well for speed, and have a fresh windows install on it, leaving the current boot drive intact for a while. Or don't you have to reinstall Windows anymore when changing mobo?
 
Drewb said:
Oh wow thankyou for that. It doesn't look like there is any on board graphics though, or have I missed it, It seems worth having now as a backup. The raven ridge cpus which do support it don't seem as powerful.
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Plec said:
The Ryzen 2600 or 2600X - are great value - although you don't get an iGPU. But you would still have the use of your 980Ti...
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Sorry, tied up for a bit - but INTEL build may be preferable as you have the memory and below iGPU Ryzen but slower and less cores :
My basket at Overclockers UK:
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one hand typing excuse mistakes..
 
Drewb said:
Sorry, I read but obviously didn't absorb :(
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No need to apologise, bud. I scan read everything while working - i'm forever re-editing posts, immediately after reply.
Drewb said:
I am tempted to treat myself to a M2 SSD as well for speed, and have a fresh windows install on it, leaving the current boot drive intact for a while. Or don't you have to reinstall Windows anymore when changing mobo?
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You could get a larger SSD - very little real life gains and easier access if the m.2. slot is below a GFX card or other device.
Drewb said:
Or don't you have to reinstall Windows anymore when changing mobo?
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You don't, but i always recommend that you do. I've done it a couple of times for friends who have wanted to be up and running as quickly as possible - but i inevitably got called up as they started to get issues which i put down to driver/registry issues.
 
Thanks for the M2 advice, I remember reading the same in this forum a few years ago, no change then. I will reinstall windows on the current boot drive as an upgrade and save money for now.
 
Plec said:
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £423.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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I like this option unless the Intel option is cheaper.
Do you think I would be wrong to buy this and try it with the current PSU?
 
Drewb said:
I like this option unless the Intel option is cheaper.
Do you think I would be wrong to buy this and try it with the current PSU?
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Off phone, but one eye on other screen...

Erm...

Drewb said:
2. What is onboard graphics like these days? Can I run 4k and occasional 4k video edit, and a lot of photo editting?If I am replacing things, given I don't play games anymore, I would like to simplify life, maybe no graphics card and a smaller simpler CPU cooler.
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Depends, your needs aren't that great now - you could technically get away with a 2400G (better gpu performance) or an i5 8400 (better CPU performance). With the INTEL build you could keep the memory, saving money where you would lose out buying a decent INTEL motherboard (looking at your tastes).

That said - are you convinced you won't miss gaming of any kind? Plus, the snap of more system memory and an independent GPU?

As mentioned the PSU buy would be the safest gamble (maybe not the odds on favourite as culprit) as you would be buying in good faith and ~£7 to return if the gamble didn't pay off. The reason i'm hoping it's the PSU is that you still have a mighty system - as the video example demonstrated - so a new PSU ~£90 would also fiscally make sense.

Apart from your usage do you like the idea of more oomph under the hood even if not gaming - you could sell the 980Ti and get GT/X 1030/1050 - lower power - if you wanted a more efficient system (if you went for motherboard/CPU route and dedicated GPU).

Decisions...
 
It's getting complicated as usual. I was hoping to order today and get a system running tomorrow.
Plec said:
are you convinced you won't miss gaming of any kind?
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Yes. I bought a PS4 Pro last year for occasional gaming and have found I only play Elite Dangerous on it nowadays.
GeForce GTX 1050 StormX 2048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 Graphics Card- this one is certainly a lot smaller and would give me easier access to everything.
One thing I have noticed is the mobo you quoted above needs 1x24 pin 1x 8 and 1x4 from PSU, I need to check PSU as my current board has 1x24 and 1x8
What Intel mobo would you recommend to go with the i5 8400, there seem to be several chipsets?
 
I could buy PSU and mobo/cpu, then I always have a spare PSU and a new system bearing in mind the old system is 4.5 years old now. Might be worth it for £90, I don't want to end up with this sort of hassle for a week again.
 
Possible INTEL build as a place holder: this has an integrated GPU if you wanted to use it (or back up) plus you could use your existing memory - as you're not clocking it's a basic quality Gigabyte motherboard - no frills. But, again it's a tough ask when competing against your i7 5820K, even though it wasn't clocked. This would be a sideways move too - as the performance of your i7 is still very competitive. It's gauling that they don't make the motherbpard for your CPU anymore :/

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £360.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)


Things only get interesting if you throw a lot more money at the CPU which isn't needed for your perceived usage.

I will add that i bought a couple of Xbox Xs for the kids (admittedly me too) - but i still find myself drawn to the computer for my strategy/RTS games. I eve tried buying games on the xbox that i won on the computer - wasted my money, kids are happy though.​
 
Quote from the board details "Video is displayed via an HDMI or DisplayPort 1.2" yet further down only HDMI is mentioned under external connections!
I have a display port cable already running down through the desk, in one of the legs and while I could change it it would be an unnecessary hassle.
Either way its too late to rush a decision for tomorrow delivery deadline so I will take my time thinking about it.
Thankyou so much for all your help with this. I wish I could buy you a beer (or two).
 
To cut a long story short, the reason for stopping playing on the PC was a problem similar to RSI when using mouse or flight stick which I don't get with PS4 control.
 
Drewb said:
To cut a long story short, the reason for stopping playing on the PC was a problem similar to RSI when using mouse or flight stick which I don't get with PS4 control.
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Ah, my kids use xbox controllers on my PCs - but i realise the experience is not the same if the game isn't optimised for a controller. I was concerned you may burn your bridges going iGPU route...

If my forum bud @orbitalwalsh is about it would be good to have his input as you want to buy soon:

Drewb said:
is this any good?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/prom...-memory-options-free-240gb-ssd-bu-06u-as.html
Sorry here is the link.
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In a way yes - but not really as you ideally need 2 x 8gb (16Gb), it's quality entry level motherboard (better VRMs than Gigabyte) but needless memory size (for you) and a small SSD. As you don't plan on overclocking then the cheaper Gigabyte UD board would suffice

You need to decide if you want 2 sticks of 8Gb (rather than 4 x 4Gb), INTEL or Ryzen (Ryzen will definitely require new faster sticks) and whether you're happy with iGPU or would prefer a discrete graphics card and free up all your memory - or the security of both which the 9600K gives.

Basically, what are you happy spending, considering the you cash you potentially make on you're old hardware. As mentioned the big sticking point (more for me than you) is that the performance gain compared to your old system won't be noticeable. But this is a build born out of necessity, rather than need - especially if you can't wait for a PSU verdict (which i totally undertsand).

@orbitalwalsh - this is a forced upgrade from i7 5820K system that's terminal (Motherboard, CPU or PSU). Second hand motherboard prices are insane - he only needs CPU, motherboard for INTEL (as has 4 sticks of 2400MHz memory) - but he seems to like the idea of 2 x 8Gb sticks of 3000MHz. His use is: 4K viewing/workstation with occasional 4K video editing - no intention of gaming.

So, it's a sideway'ish move:

Considered 9600K, with Gigabyte UD or Asus-F - again he could use his memory to save money - but he may be inclined to buy 2 x 8GB

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2600X with usual MSI VRM motherboard and definitely 16Gb 3000MHz (I personally prefer this option as he has Ryzen 3000 route if wanted/needed later on - and he stressed light video editing).

Oh, and possibly using discrete GT1030 or GTX 1050 on INTEL build - to save on system memory - he may consider swapping out GTX 980Ti even if he goes Ryzen. As mentioned he won't be gaming.

Thoughts - want another set of eyes to help him decide as he's had particularly shi**y luck.

*you only need to scan read last 2/3 pages of thread

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*On mobile phone for next hour or so - so good luck reading my posts.

And thanks @orbitalwalsh - if you turn up (sure he will if he's about).

Ignoring taxi driver's waffle but difficult to swipe effectively...
 
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