Help Solve a SLI/XFire Arguement!

ACESHIGH · 13 Aug 2006 at 02:27

easyrider said:
The 7900 GT is so much faster than x 1900GT.

There is no Target.

the 7900 GT is the faster card.

I'm bored of this BS tbh.

Your posts ACESHIGH are clinical its laughable.

You are so funny dude! You seem to have a demented interpretation of what i said. Its hard to reply when i dont know what you are really talknig about, but i will try.

If by clinical you mean everything i said was correct, then you are right.
Or should i just make up crap like you do a lot of the time?

As its name implies, the Radeon X1900 GT is meant to take on NVIDIA’s current GeForce 7900 GT GPU....
Up to this point, ATI’s strategy to compete with the GeForce 7900 GT has relied on their board partners usage of the Radeon X1800 XT family to compete with the GeForce 7900 GT. Radeon X1800 XT 256MB cards can be found in the $240-$290 range, while X1800 XT 512MB boards sell for between $290-$350. These X1800 cards have served ATI’s board partners well for the most part, delivering performance that’s very competitive with the GeForce 7900 GT, but ATI themselves have abandoned the X1800’s R520 graphics core in favor of the newer R580 core found in the Radeon X1900 family: ATI for instance doesn’t sell their own Built By ATI Radeon X1800 GTO or X1800 XT 256MB board. With the introduction of the Radeon X1900 GT, ATI finally has their own direct competitor to the GeForce 7900 GT, while ATI’s board partners gain access to yet another product to sell at the popular $300 price point.

So clearly the target of the X1900GT is the 7900GT not the 7600GT as the poster i was replying to seemed to think. And yes the X1900GT comfortably beats the 7600GT. The X1900GT is replacing the pricepoint of the X1800XT.
And yes some X1900GT cards have unlocked to X1900XT specs.
So my above post is completely correct. Its obvious you dont have a valid argument so you use baseless personal attacks & profanity. You are a joke.

Darkwave · 13 Aug 2006 at 02:30

easyrider said:
Please...

lol

"and the possibility of unlocking a quad of pipelines on it."

I think you will find that they are hardware locked.
If they were not we would have heard it by now on XS.......

You mean like this? http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=13191 :confused:

Your trolling is getting tiresome.

ACESHIGH · 13 Aug 2006 at 02:34

easyrider said:
Please...

lol

"and the possibility of unlocking a quad of pipelines on it."

I think you will find that they are hardware locked.
If they were not we would have heard it by now on XS.......

Again you show your lack of knowledge, dude. You talk too much.

IF YOUR GB_PIPE_SELECT IS 0x3FE4, THEN YOU CAN UNLOCK FOR SURE!

Long story short, there are basically two revisions of the ATI R580 core. One is referred by the engineers as the R580"XL" and the other one is known as R580"PRO".

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=13191&highlight=X1900gt

easyrider · 13 Aug 2006 at 02:34

ACESHIGH said:
You are so funny dude! You seem to have a demented interpretation of what i said. Its hard to reply when i dont know what you are really talknig about, but i will try.

And yes some X1900GT cards have unlocked to X1900XT specs.

.

No this is the majority of your post's

ATI Radeon X1800 XT 256MB GDDR3
ATI Radeon X1800 XT 256MB GDDR3
ATI Radeon X1800 XT 256MB GDDR3

you might copy and paste a

ATI Radeon X1900 in there,

for good measure.

I want a link?

I want proof that if i buy a x1900GT today (that is slower than a x1800) I can unlock it to A x1900 xtx

please.As i will buy one yesterday

Darkwave · 13 Aug 2006 at 02:36

Seriously easy, give it up. This is just bizarre behaviour, even for you.

I already posted a link to a forum with at least one confirmed X1900GT 16-pipe unlock, I am still reading through the thread and only on page two as I'm doing other things, but I'll be sure to let you know if more people did it.

easyrider · 13 Aug 2006 at 02:48

Úlfhednar said:
Seriously easy, give it up. This is just bizarre behaviour, even for you.

I already posted a link to a forum with at least one confirmed X1900GT 16-pipe unlock, I am still reading through the thread and only on page two as I'm doing other things, but I'll be sure to let you know if more people did it.

Thanks,

I appreciate it.

As I will buy a X1900 GT (that unlocks) thats cheaper than a x1800 that is as fast as a x1900xtx and costs me less

Darkwave · 13 Aug 2006 at 02:50

easyrider said:
Thanks,

I appreciate it.

As I will buy a X1900 GT (that unlocks) thats cheaper than a x1800 that is as fast as a x1900xtx and costs me less

Well, if you get one of the rare ones with a "Pro" core.

I said it was possible, not guaranteed.

ACESHIGH · 13 Aug 2006 at 03:02

@easyrider who appears to be on tilt.

Considering the prices of X1800XT & X1900GT, they are hard to pass up & everybody has been recommending them. Should i not recommend them even though both cards are great value just to appease you or change what i post.
I dont think so. Untill better cards come along in that segement i think everybody will keep recommending them right along with me.

And as per my above post & all other posts regarding the X1900GT softmod, what i said was ....
Its also nice that some X1900GT cards have unlocked via softmod to X1900XT specs.

As its a softmod, theres no harm for anyone who has one to try it, & get lucky with some extra perfomance. It was never the defining criteria to purchase the card. Infact in my post to which you replied i never even made purchasing suggestions.

easyrider · 13 Aug 2006 at 03:12

ACESHIGH said:
@easyrider who appears to be on tilt.

Considering the prices of X1800XT & X1900GT, they are hard to pass up & everybody has been recommending them. Should i not recommend them even though both cards are great value just to appease you or change what i post.
I dont think so. Untill better cards come along in that segement i think everybody will keep recommending them right along with me..

Thats my point,The x1800 is a beter buy,But you do not realise this.And state it clearly in your posts.

If someone asked:

whats better a x1900GT or 7900GT I can just predict your answer.

.

And as per my above post & all other posts regarding the X1900GT softmod, what i said was ....
Its also nice that some X1900GT cards have unlocked via softmod to X1900XT specs..

Come on...If you had a 9800 pro and you looked and had an r360 core you were laughing.

No reports about such mods with a 1900GT for the masses.So stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.Its not gonna wash.

Darkwave · 13 Aug 2006 at 03:17

easyrider said:
Thats my point,The x1800 is a beter buy,But you do not realise this.

It's a better buy if you want better performance and don't mind the cooler, but since the X1900GT comes with a HIS IceQ 3 for only £10 more then why is it such a horrible option? :confused:

easyrider said:
Come on...If you had a 9800 pro and you looked and had an r360 core you were laughing.

No reports about such mods with a 1900GT for the masses.So stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.Its not gonna wash.

An X1900GT won't unlock because it has a specific core, it's a specific run of a specific core that will. To unlock an X1900GT to sixteen pipelines you need one with a 0x3FE4 address for pipelines settings in its BIOS, and even then it's not a guaranteed unlock, just a good chance of it. So far cores with this address have been spotted on built by ATI boards and Sapphire boards (which makes sense as Sapphire make ATI's boards for them last I checked.)

easyrider · 13 Aug 2006 at 03:30

Úlfhednar said:
An X1900GT won't unlock because it has a specific core, it's a specific run of a specific core that will. To unlock an X1900GT to sixteen pipelines you need one with a 0x3FE4 address for pipelines settings in its BIOS, and even then it's not a guaranteed unlock, just a good chance of it. So far cores with this address have been spotted on built by ATI boards and Sapphire boards (which makes sense as Sapphire make ATI's boards for them last I checked.)

Thanks for clearing up ACESHIGH's mistake

Fatfish · 13 Aug 2006 at 03:38

@ Ulf & ACESHIGH and anyone else who might be able to offer impartial and constructive advice (easyrider need not apply

) - any chance you could take a look at my thread in the General Hardware section when you get a minute please? I've specced a couple of systems and I need some advice on which one offers the best value for money and whether the components are compatible/suitable. It would be very much appreciated. Thanks.

easyrider · 13 Aug 2006 at 03:44

Fatfish said:
@ Ulf & ACESHIGH and anyone else who might be able to offer impartial and constructive advice (easyrider need not apply ) - any chance you could take a look at my thread in the General Hardware section when you get a minute please? I've specced a couple of systems and I need some advice on which one offers the best value for money and whether the components are compatible/suitable. It would be very much appreciated. Thanks.

I have answered the question.

The hardware you state is slower than the conroe for the same price.

Darkwave · 13 Aug 2006 at 03:51

easyrider said:
Thanks for clearing up ACESHIGH's mistake

Actually, ACESHIGH specifically mentioned that you need a core with the right pipeline address in its BIOS. :confused:

ACESHIGH said:
IF YOUR GB_PIPE_SELECT IS 0x3FE4, THEN YOU CAN UNLOCK FOR SURE!

Long story short, there are basically two revisions of the ATI R580 core. One is referred by the engineers as the R580"XL" and the other one is known as R580"PRO".

Fatfish said:
@ Ulf & ACESHIGH and anyone else who might be able to offer impartial and constructive advice (easyrider need not apply ) - any chance you could take a look at my thread in the General Hardware section when you get a minute please? I've specced a couple of systems and I need some advice on which one offers the best value for money and whether the components are compatible/suitable. It would be very much appreciated. Thanks.

Sure, I'll take a look as I don't plan to sleep just yet. I warn you that I am quited fished though, Cognac F.T.W.

slap ed · 13 Aug 2006 at 05:09

sli can be a pain to set up as well , i only play one game sad i know . but in the sli profiles for this game it is set to afr which frankly doesn't work it needs to be set to sfr for better quality so i need to use a programme called enhancer which eats up to much cpu resources and slows the fps to much . so for me a single high end card is a much better solution

Johny Boy · 13 Aug 2006 at 09:29

So if I got crossfire, I'm still not going to get more then 15 fps at 2x aa, 2x af and HDR, 1280x1024 in graphicaly intense bits of oblivion?

It only matter with high res? Or are you just talking about old games?

I can see plenty of places in games I have where x1900xt just isn't fast enough even at 1280x1024. Another is Quake 4 with all the eye candy turned on and filtering all the way up, can get down to 10-20 fps. Now if crossfire could bring it above 30 all the time then that's a bonus in my eyes.

But you say only at higher reses? Are pepole being a bit blinkered or is it true?

maddness · 13 Aug 2006 at 09:32

do these x1900gt cards require a mastercard for crossfire or can they be used with another normal x1900gt in crossfire mode, im sure i read the later somewhere...

Johny Boy · 13 Aug 2006 at 09:48

<maddness> said:
do these x1900gt cards require a mastercard for crossfire or can they be used with another normal x1900gt in crossfire mode, im sure i read the later somewhere...

As far as I've seen so far yes they need a mastercard and a mobo with ATI chipset. ****kers.

FrankJH · 13 Aug 2006 at 10:13

Johny Boy said:
So if I got crossfire, I'm still not going to get more then 15 fps at 2x aa, 2x af and HDR, 1280x1024 in graphicaly intense bits of oblivion?

With X1900 crossfire I highly doubt you will get anything that low at that res - but as I couldnt get into Oblivion I cant tell you, but I played it for about 2 hours with HDR at 1680*1050 (or whatever the 20" w/s res is, I cant think) I never got anything other than completely fluid movement on a single X1900XT, let alone xfired ones

<maddness> said:
do these x1900gt cards require a mastercard for crossfire or can they be used with another normal x1900gt in crossfire mode, im sure i read the later somewhere...

All X1900 gpu's require a mastercard I believe

Johny Boy said:
As far as I've seen so far yes they need a mastercard and a mobo with ATI chipset. ****kers.

Whats with the sweary - SLI is only gaurenteed to work with an SLI mobo, and if by making a master card varient it makes the standard one cheaper (which it definitely does, as there is at least one less chip on the master series) where is the issue? You can still use a single X1900 in any mobo of your choosing but if you definitely want something to work then you have to go with ATI on the three main parts.

One thing I hate is with some of the current Crossfire / conroe boards even though the PCI-E lanes are 16*, in crossfire they are pegged back to 8* which is a little cheap for the premium boards we have on offer currently

cavemanoc · 13 Aug 2006 at 10:14

This one's free, I have more at a small premium

I like the argument about Sli as a means of breathing life into your old system cheaply (I currently have a 7800GT and for £100 I can add another that will see *some* performance gains in my favourite games - Oblivion/Half-Life 2 and even BF2 - but less so in the latter)

For my money Sli only really comes into it's own, at the moment, if you're running outrageous resolutions, as TBird is Here (With res's up to 3840*1024 it's on a par with the massive Dell 30inchers :eek:

)

Interestingly He's now having issues with Video memory as the larger texture files are killing the meagre 256Mb per card, and he really needs the 512Mb models to max everything out.

(Sorry the pic's so big but hey... it's needed!)