Help!!!

When it comes to 1GB RAM, there are two types of RAM that are the best. The two types are Samsung TCCD and Winbond BH5. Between the two, it is very close in terms of performance when both are completely maxed out.

Timings: The tighter they are, the better performance you get.
FSB/Frequency: The higher this is, the better performance you get.

TCCD will run all the way up to about 300mhz FSB (with very good sticks, most top out about 280mhz) running at loose timings. The loose timings are offset by the fact that the RAM is running at such a high frequency.

BH5 will run up to about 270-5mhz (with very good sticks, 265mhz seems the be the average user topping out). BH5 can run the very tightest timings i.e. best performance throughout its entire frequency range but will not go as high as TCCD.

For this reason, you need to determine what is the max FSB you will be running. As there will be very little difference between 300mhz TCCD vs 250mhz BH5 (due to loose timings TCCD and tight timing BH5).

There are 4 key timings when it comes to RAM.

CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS (strictly speaking CAS is tCL). At any given frequency, you want the numbers to be as small as possible for best performance.

This is basically how RAM works.

So, what you need to do is work out what FSB you want, and choose accordingly.

You already have TCC5 which is like a slightly lower quality TCCD RAM. It will work to high FSB but with loose timings. Probably topping out at about 275mhz with loose timings of about 2.5-4-4-7 (average).
 
Drazic said:
This stuff is TCC5 and don't work with Intel. it's made for AMD 64 larking around nuts and all. Lucky to do what i am doing and it could be TCCD but i aitn gonna lift my heatspreaders and look for ahem sadly. I did try but on tight!!!

That ram i'm afetr is the following

***Currently, only the Asus P4C800 Deluxe and P4C800-E Deluxe are qualified for use with PC-4400 Gold Edition memory due to high FSB requirements not achievable by other boards.

If i get some at alst i'll be one up for a change.
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That is just TCCD RAM and will be no better than your current lot. The reason your motherboard is mentioned is because it is capable of high FSB (good overclocking board). TCCD is virtually the same as TCC5 but TCC5 isn't quite as good as TCCD - the difference is small.

AMD's market share is about 10-15% and it would not make sense to miss out Intel ;).
 
For absolute best performance at 263 mhz is BH5 - 2-2-2-5 1T.

For good performance at 263mhz is TCCD/TCC5 - probably 2.5-3-3-10 or 2.5-4-3-7 given your current stability test results.

Your current lot is pretty much exactly the same as the OCZ PC-4400 you mention.

As marc2003 said, there is no issue with TCCD/TCC5 on Intel's.
 
So why have over 1500 people alone posted on a forum saying there is and shown the proffe and i've experinced it and many others? I've seen it in person on other rigs. OCZ even have confermed my ram not for Intel use but gay AMd 64 nuts
 
Drazic said:
So why have over 1500 people alone posted on a forum saying there is and shown the proffe and i've experinced it and many others? I've seen it in person on other rigs. OCZ even have confermed my ram not for Intel use but gay AMd 64 nuts
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Depends on what the manufacturer has optimised the RAM tables for. The actual IC's (RAM chips) themselves are the same for both platforms, but manufacturers put in small tweaks for a specific platform. With some tweaking of your own, you can overcome this. i.e. this is when they say something is rated for a certain set of timings for one platform and may not be able to reach that speed on a different one - it basically means it has been tweaked/not tested on the other platform (not always possible as some motherboards do not have all these settings available for the user).
 
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Well 1 to work out of 1500 be suspect i say. I'm lucky to get it as far as i have and i'd liek to get more, my cpu maxs out or it was the ram setting i had it on when i got to 4.15ghz in windows with Ai booster. 4ghz is stable
 
marc2003 said:
right so memtest crapped out at 2.5-3-3-6/250. what have you tried since? i'm guessing nothing.....
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if there was a problem with intel/tcc5 you wouldn't even be hitting 250mhz and booting into windows. the fact that memtest is failing means you need to tweak it a little. come on put some ******* effort into it.... :D
 
So as i siad im thick , no idea, out on my ass no a clue, nothing, zero, uno nurmo when it comes to ram so if you want to help me please do feel free but give me some zero technical stuff.

ie say run them at

2.5-3-3-6
2.75
cpu at 200
1.55

I need clearer direct insrctions etc etc as all i've had is baffle sadly

Also how to get mem test to test my memory not my ahem cpu
 
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memtest only tests the RAM. No CPU is tested whatsoever. As you request above:

2.5-3-3-8
2.75v
CPU @ 200
1.55

Edit out that sweary, the Dons will give you a holiday for it.

If that fails at any point with any errors in 8 hours of testing, then 2.5-3-3-10, then 2.5-4-3-7. All at same other settings. If these don't work, then you will not be going anywhere fast on that RAM. Even these settings are pretty bad if you are after top performance.
 
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memtest only tests the RAM. No CPU is tested whatsoever. As you request above:

2.5-3-3-8
2.75v
CPU @ 200
1.55

Edit out that sweary, the Dons will give you a holiday for it.

If that fails at any point with any errors in 8 hours of testing, then 2.5-3-3-10, then 2.5-4-3-7. All at same other settings. If these don't work, then you will not be going anywhere fast on that RAM. Even these settings are pretty bad if you are after top performance.
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Cheers dude. Thats all i was fater, really easyand simple to follow stuff. i shall go test it soon a si had enough of pc's for today. Should have loads of new goodies tomrorw. Fingers crossed. So do i need to make any adjstment in the mem test or just let it do it's thing from word go?
 
Okay will do mucka, thanks again.

Oh if it does come up with anyhting red what should i do and how will i know what the problem be and to make it work right/
 
If anythinf red comes up, then it is not stable so try loosening the timings.

I have given you options for 250mhz. 2.5-3-3-8 then if that fails, 2.5-3-3-10, then 2.5-4-3-7. If none of those work, then you will be entering poor performance territory...
 
I have my cpu a 1.5250 as i have the vdroop mod so it overvolts....still set it to 1.55v for this mem test?
 
Whatever you are comfortable with. I only stated what I did because you used that in your example. Do whatever you normally do.
 
i have no ideal what i nroamly do as i've never done this before mate. It's wlasy ran at 1.5250V and over volts to 1.6 in cpuz due to the dropp mod so whats best to do
 
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