Here's to another one being released without charge, hopefully...

[Judgeneo]

You know what I mean.

Basically what I'm saying is that those who are defending their homes/families should be cut more slack than they currently are when it comes to this. But not so much so that you can get away with shooting someone dead the second they set foot in your house.

I hear in thats what happens in south africa. Shoot the intruder on sight, then fire a shot into the roof, explain to the police that was your warning shot, job done.

 

[sbi5ar]

I hear in thats what happens in south africa. Shoot the intruder on sight, then fire a shot into the roof, explain to the police that was your warning shot, job done.

Just out of curiosity... and this is based on very little information...

Couldn't the police recover the bullet from the roof (assuming it is squashed beyond belief) and match it to the gun?

What I am trying to say is that when you fire a gun, marks are left on the bullet and within the barrel as it is fired out the end. If another bullet is fired then it would change the pattern in the barrel and on the bullet this they would be able to tell which shot was fired first/second.

This is based on very little information and if some one would clarify that would be grand

 

[Scrutinize]

some one on here posted a couple of years ago iirc that his dad in south africa had killed / shot some intruders on site as you pretty much have to assume they are armed and will kill you over there. slightly different situation to over here

in this case, looking at pics of the homeowner he doesn't exactly look like the highly trained weapons expert killer (yes looks can be deceiving but he is in his 50's at a guess). the burglar was stabbed with his own knife depending on which version of events you read. i imagine the homeowner's adrenaline just kicked in and he just went for it to defend his family.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

Top drills to the man if he managed to shiv the scumbag with his own knife. He'll not be thieving any time soon haha

 

[Castiel]

Just out of curiosity... and this is based on very little information...

Couldn't the police recover the bullet from the roof (assuming it is squashed beyond belief) and match it to the gun?

What I am trying to say is that when you fire a gun, marks are left on the bullet and within the barrel as it is fired out the end. If another bullet is fired then it would change the pattern in the barrel and on the bullet this they would be able to tell which shot was fired first/second.

This is based on very little information and if some one would clarify that would be grand

The rifling marks on the bullet come from the barrel, they will be the same for each bullet fired. You can sometimes match bullet to gun, you cannot deduce the order of fire from rifling striation. Forget CSI, real life isn't quite so straight forward.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

I don't even think CSI have went that far, it's one thing being able to zoom into a grainey black and white photo, and find the reflection in someones eyeball, it's a different thing working our order of shooting by looking at the bullets themselves, lol.

 

[SickAsAParrot]

Assuming the first shot is fired through a clean barrel, the barrel will then fill with powder residue and the second bullet will have a contaminated nose.

Amidoinitrite?

 

[1LANCS]

Just out of curiosity... and this is based on very little information...

This is based on very little information and if some one would clarify that would be grand

I dont think you understand, what he is saying is you would shoot an intruder and then shoot a round into the roof and tell the police that you fired a warning shot into the roof which didnt deter the intruder so you had to shoot them.

 

[Vulcan]

I see you pointing out people's attire as if it's important; stay classy.

Yes it is important. If attire is not important then why do people wear suits? It's to impress. When I see someone wearing a tracksuit and a baseball cap, one thing comes to mind - chav.

Couldn't the police recover the bullet from the roof (assuming it is squashed beyond belief) and match it to the gun?

I think you're confused, he's saying that home owners are presumably supposed to fire a shot to warn off intruders first, then they can fire at the intruder. Both shots will come from the same firearm. He's suggesting to kill the intruder with the first shot. He's not talking about the intruder firing first.

 

[PiKe]

I think they key thing in these cases is that the weapon was the burglars weapon, the home-owner didn't go and get a knife then stab him...

 

[Vonhelmet]

I think they key thing in these cases is that the weapon was the burglars weapon, the home-owner didn't go and get a knife then stab him...

That will certainly help his case. The burglar was armed, which implies a serious threat, and the defender simply turned the weapon on him, which goes against the pre-meditation which usually causes problems, and which OCUK keyboard warriors are usually so keen on.

 

[Wizzfizz]

and which OCUK keyboard warriors are usually so keen on.

And armchair lawyers.

 

[willhub]

They should allow anyone who is being burgled to defend themselves regardless of if the offender is going to be killed.

 

[PiKe]

It wouldn't really change anything if home-owners were legally allowed to defend themselves, all it would mean is that the burglars would go better equipped.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Homeowner bailed until mid-October, surviving burglar charged with aggravated burglary.

 

[Vonhelmet]

It wouldn't really change anything if home-owners were legally allowed to defend themselves, all it would mean is that the burglars would go better equipped.

Homeowners are legally allowed to defend themselves, provided the defence is reasonable in proportion to the threat.

 

[PiKe]

Homeowners are legally allowed to defend themselves, provided the defence is reasonable in proportion to the threat.

But like you said, if you go get a knife out of the kitchen, it becomes pre-meditated and then things get serious.

 

[Dugganator]

As we don’t know the exact wording or the law that will be coming in I hope it’s enough to stop some idiots from breaking into other people’s homes. Not that it shops people from doing it where they already have these rule added to this most of those countries allow privately owned firearms to be used in this case

Until we know exactly what has happened I wont make any judgements but personally I think that if someone breaks in to your home you have the right to project your stuff and family. I hate the term "reasonable" force its a retarded statement it should be geared towards the home owner more giving them more protect while not taking the mick and putting the robbers head on a spike out side his house as a warming. Just reasonable force to me sounds like "well if he pushes you, you are allowed to push him back or if he stabs you, your more then welcome to stab him back same goes for if he pulls a knife you can do the same" lol. I know thats not completely the way it works but thats sort of the way I have seen it suggest hence why my view is well out of wack.

 

[Energizer Bunny]

Indeed. Based on past cases there appears little chance of anything happening to the homeowner. It only becomes more questionable under law if it can somehow be proved that the burglar was trying to escape and posed no danger to the homeowner. I believe that is what did for Tony Martin a few years ago as (if memory serves) he shot a burglar in the back who was trying to scramble over a wall.

 

[Dugganator]

"A post-mortem examination has confirmed that Mr Jacob died from stab wounds. "

So stab wounds suggesting more then one stab wound.