High Definition PC Gaming

james.miller · 26 Jul 2007 at 19:10

Streeteh said:
High Definition by... definition means a high level of detail. The density of the pixels determines the definition, not the resolution.

720p on a 60" screen would be anything but HD, infact it would look terrible, the terms 720p etc are just the way in which manufacturers have standardized the resolutions.

High-definition television (HDTV) is a digital television broadcasting system with a significantly higher resolution than traditional formats (NTSC, SECAM, PAL). While some early analog HDTV formats were broadcast in Europe and Japan, HDTV is usually broadcast digitally, because digital television (DTV) broadcasting requires much less bandwidth. HDTV technology was first introduced in the US during the 1990s by a group of electronics companies called the Digital HDTV Grand Alliance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

by your standards, a 1inch screen would be hd if it had 1000 pixels on it. but how can you display an image in high definition with only 1000 pixels? your making up your own definition of HDTV. which is fine, but it is wrong.

jaykay · 26 Jul 2007 at 19:13

Streeteh said:
High Definition by... definition means a high level of detail. The density of the pixels determines the definition, not the resolution.

720p on a 60" screen would be anything but HD, infact it would look terrible, the terms 720p etc are just the way in which manufacturers have standardized the resolutions.

What about panasonics new 102" screen is that hd compared to a 42". Both use 1080p res???

Streeteh · 26 Jul 2007 at 19:14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

by your standards, a 1inch screen would be hd if it had 1000 pixels on it. but how can you display an image in high definition with only 1000 pixels? your making up your own definition of HDTV. which is fine, but it is wrong.

What has that quote proven? I fail to see anything that discounts what i have said. Thanks for the read though.

On the high resolution 1" screen front, if it was close enough to the eye it could make out the definition on a picture that small. An example is the gaming glasses that everyone seems to be developing at the moment. They have resolutions of 800x600 on tiny screens, and the close proximity of the screen to the eyes allows the user to see the high definition of picture the screens deliver (see what i did there?).

[edit] Oh and, i'm not making up any definitions of HDTV, because the topic is about how PC gamers would want HD games, which we've had for years. It has nothing to do with HDTVs, which actually aren't that HD.

james.miller · 26 Jul 2007 at 19:15

Streeteh said:
What has that quote proven? I fail to see anything that discounts what i have said. Thanks for the read though.

read it again then. that wiki page tells you EXACTLY what HD is. so read just read it.

On the high resolution 1" screen front, if it was close enough to the eye it could make out the definition on a picture that small. An example is the gaming glasses that everyone seems to be developing at the moment. They have resolutions of 800x600 on tiny screens, and the close proximity of the screen to the eyes allows the user to see the high definition of picture the screens deliver (see what i did there?).

wrong. you take an image and render it at 800x600. you take that same image and render it at 1920x1080. it doesnt matter how large or small that final render is displayed, the 1920x1080 (1080i/p) has a much higher detail and thus a much higher level of definition. prove that wrong.

Streeteh · 26 Jul 2007 at 19:32

read it again then. that wiki page tells you EXACTLY what HD is. so read just read it.

It tells you what HDTV is yes, this is a topic about whether PC gamers are waiting for HD, which we've had for years.

High-definition (HD) video generally refers to any video system of higher resolution than standard-definition (SD), i.e. NTSC, PAL and SECAM. This article discusses the general concepts of high-definition video, as opposed to its specific applications in television broadcast (HDTV)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video

PC games have been of a higher resolution and pixel density than SD for years now, hence HD. 20" monitors have higher resolutions than most 32" HDTV, though not ones that adhere to the 720/1080 standards, do they not count as HD despite having a higher res and density than a 32" HD TV?

james.miller · 26 Jul 2007 at 19:45

Streeteh said:
PC games have been of a higher resolution and pixel density than SD for years now, hence HD. 20" monitors have higher resolutions than most 32" HDTV, though not ones that adhere to the 720/1080 standards, do they not count as HD despite having a higher res and density than a 32" HD TV?

High Definition, as in the name "high definition" is a video standard. a group of resolutions which are all higher than sd broadcasts.

High Definition, as in the meaning of, could mean anything you like in your own terms

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you were the one trying to tell people HD was defined by density, not resolution. Now, you are quite right this is a topic about whether PC gamers are waiting for HD. The op was referring to HD, as in the name, and comparing pc gaming to HD gaming on a home console. so, your definition of what HD is in the context of this thread is wrong. and what ive been trying to tell you, and provide links for, is correct.

can we leave this alone now?

Freeman · 26 Jul 2007 at 20:35

This thread gets better the further down you read

KNiVES · 26 Jul 2007 at 20:36

The average PC gamer has more blocks that go whoosh whoosh ZOMG COLOR than the average console gamer.

Fr0dders · 26 Jul 2007 at 20:46

KNiVES said:
.... and how many games are 1920x1080 native ?

lol

bless the OP i bet he wishes the group opened up and swalloed this thread right up

then you wade in with "How many games are 1920 x 1080 native"

theres no such thing as a "native" resolution in PCs. PC games are scalable and can be shown in anything from 800 x 600 to 2560 x 1600. Only limit is the power of your system. Most games dont include the option for it in game, doesnt mean you cant set it though. Nearly all games allow the resolution to be set manually in a work around someway.

KNiVES · 26 Jul 2007 at 21:17

I have already said in my second last post that I was referring to consoles ! Read the thread. I was trying to point out the glaring issue that people are going 'but not many televisions do 1920x1080 anyway' without realizing that the games and consoles themselves don't even do that resolution as standard anyway. It's almost always 1280x720 upscaled to 1920x1080, except for games that require little in the way of hardware punch, such as the PSN budget titles.

titchard · 26 Jul 2007 at 21:30

xolotl said:
Not really, 1080 is 1920x1080 resolution. So, unless you're using a 23 or 24 inch panel you really haven't been playing in full HD.

No they wern't. They ran at 1024x768 which works out at 786,432 pixels in total. 1280x720 is 921,600 pixels in total.

Either way - PCs have been gaming at rates much higher than normal consoles and much higher than HD consoles, far far longer.

Rich

KNiVES · 26 Jul 2007 at 21:56

It's a fact that my monitor with a resolution of 1680x1050 is higher definition than my consoles. Not to mention I have juicy levels anti-aliasing when I want it. Don't even get me started on the amount of graphics flexibility that gaming PCs have compared to consoles.

Eriedor · 26 Jul 2007 at 22:11

james.miller said:
read it again then. that wiki page tells you EXACTLY what HD is. so read just read it.

wrong. you take an image and render it at 800x600. you take that same image and render it at 1920x1080. it doesnt matter how large or small that final render is displayed, the 1920x1080 (1080i/p) has a much higher detail and thus a much higher level of definition. prove that wrong.

Doesn't really matter about what the wiki states, technically he is correct, definition, fundamentally is defined as a measure of resolution against viewing surface, it is the fault of the industry for dumbing down the concept of resolution for average joe, that causes confusion.

You could say group a set of broadcasts together based on their resolution and call them high definition as they are not bound to a viewing surface size as tvs are.

Or finally you could define a resolution on a tv as high def only if viewed at a distance relative to the size of the screen.

All of that probably doesnt make sense but im tired and can't be arsed to rewrite it ;d

4p · 26 Jul 2007 at 22:14

So my 1440x900 19" is HD?

Cool :cool:

Oh and consoles suck

Arn't all games played at 30fps or something silly?

Azagoth · 26 Jul 2007 at 22:16

Jono8 said:
Cost of a 1080p cabable tv? astronomical.

I'd hardly call £1.5K astronomical.

Alex UK · 26 Jul 2007 at 22:31

Thorpy said:
So my 1440x900 19" is HD?

Cool

Oh and consoles suck

Arn't all games played at 30fps or something silly?

"Consoles suck" - What an unbelievably stupid thing to say. As for frame rates, no, PS3 and Xbox 360 games are played at 60FPS.

Azagoth · 26 Jul 2007 at 22:33

Alex UK said:
no, PS3 and Xbox 360 games are played at 60FPS.

Does that include all the slow-down?

Alex UK · 26 Jul 2007 at 22:36

Azagoth said:
Does that include all the slow-down?

I haven't noticed any slow-down in any of my PS3 games.

Sniper123 · 26 Jul 2007 at 22:40

Robbie G said:
So - the XBox 360 has HD gaming, when will this happen on the PC? People with shiny 24" Dell monitors must be itching to test out HD gaming on them. Where is the PC gaming world at with HD gaming?

Where can I download some HD games to play on my dell 24" :confused:

Sniper123 · 26 Jul 2007 at 22:44

Alex UK said:
I haven't noticed any slow-down in any of my PS3 games.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance runs like crap (15-20fps I'd guess)

Darkness demo has slowdown in places and looks like a ps2 game imo.

2 bad examples I guess since the rest of my PS3 games (RFOM+Motorstorm) has a solid framerate