High Octane Unleaded?

ubersonic · 29 Sep 2010 at 13:23

@Fox:

Yeah I find it strange the way legislation references BS documents that can be amended after the legislation is passed (thus altering the legislation) but that method seems to work well. If you go into a Kebab shop (There is a point to this honest) older ones have an extract fan in the wall to remove the cooking fumes where as newer ones have a full blown hooded kitchen extract canopy. Thats Because the law says they have to comply with a BS and back in the 90's that BS stipulated the fan but today its has been amended to stipulate the canopy, so any system put in today has to comply with the amended BS by law where as the older ones are considered "not to current standard" (they are ok but cannot be repaired and must be replaced by a current system if they develop a fault)

@Mike:

Different countries have some variation in what RON (Research Octane Number) is standard for gasoline, or petrol. In the UK, ordinary regular unleaded petrol is 91 RON (not commonly available), premium unleaded petrol is always 95 RON, and super unleaded is usually 97-98 RON. However both Shell and BP produce fuel at 102 RON for cars with hi-performance engines, and the supermarket chain Tesco began in 2006 to sell super unleaded petrol rated at 99 RON. In the US, octane ratings in fuels can vary between 86-87 AKI (91-92 RON) for regular, through 89-90 (94-95) for mid-grade (European Premium), up to 90-94 (RON 95-99) for premium unleaded or E10 (Super in Europe)

Gaygle · 29 Sep 2010 at 13:23

Ok so i have a question:

in The Simpsons when Homer buys Snake's confiscated, high performance car from the Police Auction - he blasts passed Snake in it and Snake shouts "It needs PREMIUM fuel dude! PREMIUM!!!"

Did Snake mean it needs BS-EN228:1994 RON 95 fuel or 97?

Fr0dders · 29 Sep 2010 at 13:24

Simon said:
I found it quite easy to find.

when you get a second, would you mind sharing your thoughts on this http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18191072&page=2 please ?

[TW]Fox · 29 Sep 2010 at 13:25

Simon · 29 Sep 2010 at 13:25

Muffin` said:
You found BS EN 228:2008 on the interwebz? I went to look for our paper copy but it's gone missing

Intraweb

Peerzy · 29 Sep 2010 at 13:27

MrLOL said:
when you get a second, would you mind sharing your thoughts on this http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18191072&page=2 please ?

You have girly posts per page :rolleyes:

ubersonic · 29 Sep 2010 at 13:46

Gaygle said:
Ok so i have a question:

in The Simpsons when Homer buys Snake's confiscated, high performance car from the Police Auction - he blasts passed Snake in it and Snake shouts "It needs PREMIUM fuel dude! PREMIUM!!!"

Did Snake mean it needs BS-EN228:1994 RON 95 fuel or 97?

Both, PREMIUM!!! in the USA isn't a fixed standard and varies between 90-94 PON which is 95-99 RON

MikeHiow · 29 Sep 2010 at 21:59

ubersonic said:
@Mike:

If 91RON was actually sold in this country, I could understand that, but it isn't, making the name 'premium' pretty redundant in my eyes (and obviously the eyes of BS/EN).

[TW]Fox · 29 Sep 2010 at 22:03

MikeHiow said:
If 91RON was actually sold in this country, I could understand that, but it isn't, making the name 'premium' pretty redundant in my eyes

But not, it seems, the eyes of all the petrol stations - as I said, even the recently refurbished and rebranded station has proudly applied 'Premium Unleaded BS EN 228' stickers to the pumps. And not in a prominent LOOK AT OUR LEET FUEL marketing kinda way either, just in the usual satisfy the suits sort of place.

Uriel · 29 Sep 2010 at 22:08

Just looked up my Fabia 1.4 8v's manual. It's tuned to 95RON. Will use 91RON at a push but recommends going easy when using it and filling up again with 95RON as soon as possible. Says no fuel efficiency savings or performance benefit from using higher octane fuel.

Simon · 29 Sep 2010 at 23:23

[TW]Fox;17477925 said:
But not, it seems, the eyes of all the petrol stations - as I said, even the recently refurbished and rebranded station has proudly applied 'Premium Unleaded BS EN 228' stickers to the pumps. And not in a prominent LOOK AT OUR LEET FUEL marketing kinda way either, just in the usual satisfy the suits sort of place.

I looked today at the local shell which was refurbed 3 months ago. No mention of premium anywhere. Can you not understand that it's not required??

You seem to argue a point till people get bored so no longer reply. Why is this ? Does it make you think you are right even when not?

[TW]Fox · 29 Sep 2010 at 23:25

Simon said:
You seem to argue a point till people get bored so no longer reply. Why is this ?

You seem to do exactly the same thing? After all, you are still here, still arguing with me about this?

You are so busy in the arguing you probably don't even remember what the original point was anyway - explaining to the OP, who got confused, what Premium was, and why it was so named. Whether its still required or not doesnt change the reason why he found it on the petrol pump in the filling station he visited and why it remains on at least 99% of pumps in the UK.

Even if its no longer required (We've got your word for that as none of us can read BS EN 228: 2008) it doesnt change the fact that in this country and elsewhere in the world, the term Premium means 95 RON fuel. Thats what it means. The fact that 2 years ago it stopped being mandatory to display it on a pump isn't going to erase the meaning overnight, is it? Premium Unleaded, where sold, is still 95 RON fuel.

Simon · 29 Sep 2010 at 23:43

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Ironic after the winter tyre/re050 thread

ubersonic · 30 Sep 2010 at 08:31

I found EN 228: 2008

http://www.aspen.se/Files/Technology/standards/EN 228 vers 2008_07_II_.pdf

But I should point out its been superseded now by EN 228: 2009, lol

Interesting thing is that according to the standard, "Premium" is 95RON and higher, so technically speaking the super unleaded's sold in this country are classed as Premium too, however its pretty obvious from the document that the standard/regular/normal unleaded we have in this country is Premium grade as Fox said, sadly it doesn't mention what the marking on the pump should be as that is in the BS 228 annex to EN 228 not the EN 228 itself

[TW]Fox · 30 Sep 2010 at 08:51

Wait so BS228 DOES tell us that 95 Ron is premium?

Super is in a different standard (7800?) which is why its not mentioned I guess.

ubersonic · 30 Sep 2010 at 08:57

[TW]Fox;17479390 said:
Wait so BS228 DOES tell us that 95 Ron is premium?

Super is in a different standard (7800?) which is why its not mentioned I guess.

Im gonna word this very carefully cos I don't wanna make a mistake here

BS EN228 doesn't say that 95RON is "Premium" it says that "Premium" is 95RON (at least), hope you don't think im being pedantic there but I don't wanna get flamed lol, Sadly the national annex to EN228 which says what should be on a pump isnt included in the pdf of EN228 I linked

[TW]Fox · 30 Sep 2010 at 09:10

I don't think it matters what should be on a pump, fact is premium is 95

Simon · 30 Sep 2010 at 09:21

Just like Fuelsaver is 95 though

Thanks
'Troll'

[TW]Fox · 30 Sep 2010 at 09:24

The op encountered premium and did not know what it was.

I explained what it was and why it has that name.

Simon · 30 Sep 2010 at 09:26

ubersonic said:
I found EN 228: 2008

http://www.aspen.se/Files/Technology/standards/EN 228 vers 2008_07_II_.pdf

But I should point out its been superseded now by EN 228: 2009, lol

Interesting thing is that according to the standard, "Premium" is 95RON and higher, so technically speaking the super unleaded's sold in this country are classed as Premium too, however its pretty obvious from the document that the standard/regular/normal unleaded we have in this country is Premium grade as Fox said, sadly it doesn't mention what the marking on the pump should be as that is in the BS 228 annex to EN 228 not the EN 228 itself

BS EN228.

BS 228 is somthing completely different