High Temps using scythe ninja plus

james.miller said:
your using that exact comparison to back up your own argument, and im still trying to figure out what it is your arguing with. Your contradicting yourself, that's the problem. Yes his temps are high, i never said otherwise, but they are not absurdly high for a heastink with 120mm fan running at 1200rpm are they?
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**** me! I am not arguing! Just giving the benefit of my experiences.

It seems we agree his temps are too high.... re seat the Ninja and see what gives!

Do you ever give up?

Matt

Watch your language.

Otacon
 
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I'll add my own input here. Mattup, from my experience, you are wrong. I have had the following: 3200+ Winnie, 3800+ Venice, 3700+San Diego, X2 4400+.

Now for comparison purposes, I has my SD @ 2750mhz with 1.65V (yes, 1.65V) which loaded about 49C on an XP90 (Al not Cu) with a 92MM YStech fan. When I used this on my X2, the idle temps were the same, and the load temps about 7C hotter. This X2 was at 2600mhz with 1.49v.

Thus, the temp is not abnormally high for such a high clocked CPU, BUT it does seem high for the voltage. Either put a more powerful fan on there (doesn't have to be a vacuum, just something that will actually shift air e.g. panaflo 120x38mm on a fan controller, or any 38mm deep 120mm fan I suggest, running at about 5v).

I think temps could be a bit better, 10C over say james.miller's single core is a bit high, but I would say 4-7C higher is about where it should be. To me, it sounds like poor airflow in the case though.

From my experience: I built my sister a P4 3.4Ghz Prescott. I gave her my XP90 and fan when I put my water in. Her P4 was idling 60C and loading about 80C (not clocked) - yes, very hot. I put in one small 80mm fan 2000rpm, quite quiet and idle dropped to 45 and load 65C. Moral, case flow might be something to check as well as heatsink/TIM application.
 
mattup said:
**** me! I am not arguing! Just giving the benefit of my experiences.

It seems we agree his temps are too high.... re seat the Ninja and see what gives!

Do you ever give up?

Matt
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you are arguing thats the point. sodding hell man sit back and read what i wrote like i asked you too and none of this bickering would have happened. And fully star out the swear word. thanks:)

Like smids siad they could be lower, but not a lot. You've been saying the dc temps should be much higher than a single core so in all honesty, 10c is nothing.
 
yesd i have to apollogise for this. Christ knows hows he's getting mixed up over this. I'm not knocking his posts as he put it, i'm just trying to convince him that 10c higher than my single core is not even the "far higher" that he thinks it should be:)
 
For reference:
A64 X2 4400+ @ 2.6GHz @ 1.45VCore
ThermalTake SI-120 with Akasa Amber
Antec P180 with 3 Akasa Ambers (one intake, two exhaust)

Both cores fully loaded I get 49oC
Idle I get 32oC
Only one core loaded I get 44oC

If I'm playing games (and therefore the 2 x 7800GTX are getting pretty toasty which raises the case temp significantly) I load out at 50oC

I think your Ninja can't be seated properly - the SI-120 is a very good heatsink, but I think that Ninja is reckoned to be better, so your temps sound high to me.

Hav
 
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james.miller said:
yesd i have to apollogise for this. Christ knows hows he's getting mixed up over this. I'm not knocking his posts as he put it, i'm just trying to convince him that 10c higher than my single core is not even the "far higher" that he thinks it should be:)
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All I said was dual core cpus put out much more heat than single core cpus.

Temps are dependant on what sort of cooler is fitted and what voltages you put through the cpu.

Hey we all agree the quoted temps are high don't we?

Blokes I have gained lots of good gen from what you have posted all over the forums (James and Smids) so respect to you both.

Don't knock the man with fewer posts. Just trying to help.

Horses for courses

Matt
 
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Don't worry mattup, I only wanted to add my own experience which turned out to be different to yours. You were right that it shouldn't possibly be that high, but james was also right in that it could well be that high - it looked about 3-4C out which might be considered as being within a certain margin of accuracy.

As an aside, I think we have all forgotten that it may actually be poor heatspreader contact - I only just thought of that. No matter what heatsink, it might be like my old winnie which had the same temps for both water and air. Just throwing something else into the mix.
 
Yeah it could be poor IHS contact depending on what your using to generate full load temps.

On a Big Typhoon:-
X2 4400 @ 2.5GHz/1.45V - 65C
X2 4400 @ 2.7GHz (not the same chip) 1.45V - 60C
FX60 @ 3GHz 1.45V 60C

All minus IHS.

Try and keep it on topic.

Jokester
 
Jokester said:
On a Big Typhoon:-
X2 4400 @ 2.5GHz/1.45V - 65C
X2 4400 @ 2.7GHz (not the same chip) 1.45V - 60C
FX60 @ 3GHz 1.45V 60C

All minus IHS.

Try and keep it on topic.

Jokester
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thats very close to what kaotic mind is getting with his 170 @ 2.7ghz / 1.4v. I'm suprised the fx60 runs that much cooler though.
 
Jokester said:
Yeah it could be poor IHS contact depending on what your using to generate full load temps.

On a Big Typhoon:-
X2 4400 @ 2.5GHz/1.45V - 65C
X2 4400 @ 2.7GHz (not the same chip) 1.45V - 60C
FX60 @ 3GHz 1.45V 60C

All minus IHS.

Try and keep it on topic.

Jokester
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Is that with a 120mm fan? It seemed to be a bit high temp... At least compared to mine...
 
Jokester said:
Papst fan but using SnM to stress the CPU to the max.

Jokester
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I'm using a papst fan my self, 18db. I use two instances of prime95 to test max load. What's SnM? I have a x2 [email protected] with 1.4V(overvolts quite a bit, got an asrock).
BTW, I got my IHS on, I would never dare to take it off :)
 
what james is saying is

his single core is 48? and the guy on the duel core is getting 58 with the same heatsink, the guy saying it should be far more than a single core 10-20 and still tying to say james is wrong is contradicting himself because 58-48 = 10 if my maths is right

My Sd fully loaded, topped out at 30C. Using the same cooler my opti topped at 51C. In my mind that’s much more heat. Would you disagree?
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30=51 = 21 so a 21c is far more heat output than a single core
well using the same heatsink it is only 10c hotter than a single which is less than far more hence why james is saying the temps are ok

but we have no figures on room temp or case temp do we far all we know his case could have a toaster in it.

so your cpu temp could be spot on, cool or mega hot depending on what your case temp is

And who the hell would put a pic of himself on his sig?????????????
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rather childish if you ask me

btw please dont tense them up ppl that walk around like robots with their tops off cos they are tensed soo much tying to impress people(and naily crapping themselfs in the process) = big heads and boobies

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/faq.php?

and a page for matt to read swearies are supposed to be totaly * out

so post your case temps for us to look at please Ka0ticMind
 
right after everybody has got it out of there system

my fx60 is running 2.8ghz on a freezer 64, im priming now, then ill be going a bit further, my board is a8r-mvp my room temp is 22c at 1.39v. motherboard is 27c and cpu is 48c with dual prime, also make sure you havent got cool and quiet enabled, i know its simple but can happen if ya forget.

also JOKESTAR what did ya set everything to at 3ghz for your fx60 as im having trouble getting that stable

thanks

Lee
 
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Mines a pain, SnM stable to 3GHz, anything more and it falls over immediately (doesn't even produce errors, either works or it doesn't). Phase change offers nothing.

Jokester

Edit:- You've got 1 line too much in your sig turbotoaster
 
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