Hodge doesn't think we should send them back, but their homes shouldn't be that nice

Van_Dammesque · 21 May 2007 at 15:42

cleanbluesky said:
Black ops?

"The EM Taskforce was set up to increase the membership of ethnic minority members and voters of the Labour Party. The MP said: "We want to establish that the Labour Party is the only true champion of diversity."

This was from the racist operaton black vote site:
(with the slogan: Home of Black politics!!!!)
http://www.obv.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=586&Itemid=124

Nice Mr Vaz, you're a racist and so is your party.

QUESTION: What the hell does being a "true champion of diversity" actually benefit the country or for that matter anyone who isn't a minority?

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Sorry for my rants it has been one of those blood boiling days!

platypus · 21 May 2007 at 15:44

chimaera said:
For example why should a 16yr old girl from barking who gets pregnant so she can get a free house and benefits get treated better than a proper asylum seeker who is leaving somewhere like darfur to find a better home for his family and work ten times harder than the little **** and her offspring.

Couldn't agree more incidentally, but that's a topic begging a different question as well, birthing licences etc.

And your sig pwns.

Van_Dammesque · 21 May 2007 at 15:46

M0t0r0la said:
If the only other option is being somehwhere thats detrimental to their welfare then absolutley!

This is an island surrounded by water, to come here you have (mainly) got to come from one of the EU countries, hardly deteremental to the if they "go back"!

dirtydog · 21 May 2007 at 15:47

chimaera said:
It all depends on circumstances as far as i'm concerned, i'm not going to discriminate either way.

For example why should a 16yr old girl from barking who gets pregnant so she can get a free house and benefits get treated better than a proper asylum seeker who is leaving somewhere like darfur to find a better home for his family and work ten times harder than the little **** and her offspring.

You can't judge these things on natives vs non-natives thats just absurd.

I'll be the first to have a go at this countries lax immigration system but laws that promote sweeping cultural generalisations are not the answer at all.

You don't give council housing to either of them, that's the answer. At least it would be mine.

dirtydog · 21 May 2007 at 15:49

M0t0r0la said:
If the only other option is being somehwhere thats detrimental to their welfare then absolutley!

Since when is it Britain's duty to put the welfare of foreigners ahead of our own?

Van_Dammesque · 21 May 2007 at 15:49

chimaera said:
It all depends on circumstances as far as i'm concerned, i'm not going to discriminate either way.

For example why should a 16yr old girl from barking who gets pregnant so she can get a free house and benefits get treated better than a proper asylum seeker who is leaving somewhere like darfur to find a better home for his family and work ten times harder than the little **** and her offspring.

You can't judge these things on natives vs non-natives thats just absurd.

I'll be the first to have a go at this countries lax immigration system but laws that promote sweeping cultural generalisations are not the answer at all.

Why shouldn't a little **** get a house over a foreigner? It is her right as a British person to be put ahead of the non-British - no?

cleanbluesky · 21 May 2007 at 15:49

chimaera said:
For example why should a 16yr old girl from barking who gets pregnant so she can get a free house and benefits get treated better than a proper asylum seeker who is leaving somewhere like darfur to find a better home for his family and work ten times harder than the little **** and her offspring.

****??? The word is a little hateful isn't it?

Why should either be more deserving of housing?

dirtydog · 21 May 2007 at 15:51

Van_Dammesque said:
"The EM Taskforce was set up to increase the membership of ethnic minority members and voters of the Labour Party. The MP said: "We want to establish that the Labour Party is the only true champion of diversity."

This was from the racist operaton black vote site:
(with the slogan: Home of Black politics!!!!)
http://www.obv.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=586&Itemid=124

Nice Mr Vaz, you're a racist and so is your party.

QUESTION: What the hell does being a "true champion of diversity" actually benefit the country or for that matter anyone who isn't a minority?

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Sorry for my rants it has been one of those blood boiling days!

Can you imagine if there was a 'White Taskforce' and 'Operation White Vote' to get more white members and voters? :eek:

People like Vaz would have a field day.

cleanbluesky · 21 May 2007 at 15:53

dirtydog said:
People like Vaz would have a field day.

Probably reason enough to start something like that

Van_Dammesque · 21 May 2007 at 15:53

dirtydog said:
Can you imagine if there was a 'White Taskforce' and 'Operation White Vote' to get more white members and voters? People like Vaz would have a field day.

What are talking about man? Mr Vaz would be the head of that no sweat!

/TeeHee

platypus · 21 May 2007 at 15:53

dirtydog said:
Can you imagine if there was a 'White Taskforce' and 'Operation White Vote' to get more white members and voters? People like Vaz would have a field day.

Since white people are supposed to be the majority, they don't need a task force.

cleanbluesky · 21 May 2007 at 15:56

platypus said:
Since white people are supposed to be the majority, they don't need a task force.

I don't think the 'task force' idea has anything to do with minority vs majority, nor do I think that minority status automatically represents a specific NEED for anything

If I am wrong, where is the "ginger taskforce" etc. etc. ad nauseum

chimaera · 21 May 2007 at 16:05

cleanbluesky said:
****??? The word is a little hateful isn't it?

Why should either be more deserving of housing?

I couldn't think of a better word

Chimaera is pro family values

I can't really comment if either of then deserve a house more than the other, however i would say that if someone is fleeing genocide then they have a better case than some knocked up 16 yr old who doesn't get along with her family.

Van_Dammesque said:
Why shouldn't a little **** get a house over a foreigner? It is her right as a British person to be put ahead of the non-British - no?

I just don't see it as a black&white issue, i think countries like the UK have a duty to help out people in countries like Darfur & Sudan. I do think there are too many people classed as asylum seekers however thats a different issue altogether.

I think each case should be judged on their own circumstances not on one single issue of nationality, the rest of europe manages fine so what are we doing wrong? The root problem goes a lot deeper than this discussion.

dirtydog · 21 May 2007 at 16:09

Can I just point out (again I think) that Hodge is referring to economic immigrants, not asylum seekers.

cleanbluesky · 21 May 2007 at 16:10

chimaera said:
I can't really comment if either of then deserve a house more than the other, however i would say that if someone is fleeing genocide then they have a better case than some knocked up 16 yr old who doesn't get along with her family.

I don't think the fact that someone is 'fleeing' anything entitles them to more than another person, who has equally little resources. It also assumes that the '****' has no problems of her own except for the addition you made of 'not getting along with her family'... I suspect that you wouldn't construct some abuse into her tale given that I think you are looking to make a story to fit your point.

If someone is fleeing genocide, surely they would be happy with a tent or a place in a refuge?

cleanbluesky · 21 May 2007 at 16:10

dirtydog said:
Can I just point out (again I think) that Hodge is referring to economic immigrants, not asylum seekers.

asylum seekers are housed under a different system so she is pretty certainly talking about economic migrants

Van_Dammesque · 21 May 2007 at 16:16

cleanbluesky said:
asylum seekers are housed under a different system so she is pretty certainly talking about economic migrants

That is true, but surely asylum seekers should be part of the discussion as they take up houses set aside by the council (but also fully furnished - costing a lot more than mere social houses), hence they would be available if we were not granting asylum to anyone and everyone.

One of the comments from the Lib Dems was that we should just simply build more houses (so much for the green belt then) - we would have have more free houses as social houses if we weren't so soft. (Guess who has to pay for these houses!)

chimaera · 21 May 2007 at 16:16

cleanbluesky said:
I don't think the fact that someone is 'fleeing' anything entitles them to more than another person, who has equally little resources. It also assumes that the '****' has no problems of her own except for the addition you made of 'not getting along with her family'... I suspect that you wouldn't construct some abuse into her tale given that I think you are looking to make a story to fit your point.

If someone is fleeing genocide, surely they would be happy with a tent or a place in a refuge?

As i said, each case should be judged on its own circumstances, if the girl is fleeing abuse then of course she should be given priority, but i think this is exactly what Hodge is talking about.

Also I didn't realise it was economic migrants, was basing my opinions on what i heard on BBC breakfast news not the quoted article. But again using CBS's example, if the daughter of an economic migrant gets abused then she shouldn't be told no because she's not British born and raised.

I'm not supporting either arguement really, just saying its a bit more complicated than UK / Non-UK, no matter how crap our immigration policy is there's no need to resort to blatant xenophobia.

dirtydog · 21 May 2007 at 16:16

cleanbluesky said:
If someone is fleeing genocide, surely they would be happy with a tent or a place in a refuge?

Indeed. Or an asylum reception centre, purpose built for them. I remember them showing their gratitude by burning one down a few years back.

platypus · 21 May 2007 at 16:17

cleanbluesky said:
I don't think the 'task force' idea has anything to do with minority vs majority, nor do I think that minority status automatically represents a specific NEED for anything

If I am wrong, where is the "ginger taskforce" etc. etc. ad nauseum

Well my first comment was meant to be a sarcastic one, slap on my wrists for trying sarcasm.

You're right though, I realise its not about representing a Need, but it is often seen that way, in this case particularly a need seems to have been defined for black people to be treated as equally as white people.