Home CCTV

[Simon42]

The difference is you're doing it professionally, you have to make people aware, I was the same converting eBikes, they need to know the law.
However as an homeowner and somebody who has spoke to my neighbours I'll take the chance, if one moans I'll turn their property black.

You are not getting permission from the public passing by though, and recording audio from the street means someone can take action against you. If they don't know then they won't but that doesn't make it right. How many people would be happy to have their conversations in the street or their own property recorded? We have lots of CCTV public spaces these days but audio is not recorded for a reason as its too invasive and liable to legal action.

 

[RedMogg]

You are not getting permission from the public passing by though, and recording audio from the street means someone can take action against you. If they don't know then they won't but that doesn't make it right. How many people would be happy to have their conversations in the street or their own property recorded? We have lots of CCTV public spaces these days but audio is not recorded for a reason as its too invasive and liable to legal action.

"No expectation of privacy in a public area".
Goes for audio as well as video.

If you're that worried that my CCTV is recording your latest dogging hotspot, or your Friday afternoon, pre-pub Columbian Marching Powder pickup, then politely take yourself further away from my cameras...

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

You are not getting permission from the public passing by though, and recording audio from the street means someone can take action against you. If they don't know then they won't but that doesn't make it right. How many people would be happy to have their conversations in the street or their own property recorded? We have lots of CCTV public spaces these days but audio is not recorded for a reason as its too invasive and liable to legal action.

Six times the Police have knocked on my door asking for footage and if i can get the volume louder.
Actually nine times but the incidents were out of shot before I had the new camera.
No Police have had a go at me but if it ever happens I will deal with it.
Also take into account two neighbours to the left, three neighbours to the right and two neighbours opposite all have CCTV

More importantly I'm not arguing with you, you are 100% correct but I'm willing to take the chance.
It's like the bloke at the back of me, he's electrified his garage door handles

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

@Simon42
A neighbour has been round about a shed break in which he's reported and I know at sometime the cops will be calling for the 10th time for video.
Do I tell them that it is only setup to capture my drive and nothing beyond or do I do the decent thing and handover what I've got?
You do have me worried now with what you've been saying.

I watch 100s of police/murder programmes and they will setup a CCTV team to trawl through a neighbourhood collecting home CCTV and piecing it together which can sometimes take weeks. None of these homeowners are fined for recording out into the street.
Has any criminal ever successfully had their conviction turned over because a home CCTV should never have been filming them?
You've got me totally confused now.

 

[LeeUK]

How can it be illegal to record into the street? That means every council CCTV or any CCTV from any business must be illegal too?

Or is just illegal for the common man to do?

 

[Armageus]

How can it be illegal to record into the street? That means every council CCTV or any CCTV from any business must be illegal too?

Or is just illegal for the common man to do?

It's not illegal, but it's recommended that you don't record public spaces because that then means you fall under the scope of data protection.

Businesses likely already fall under this anyway and have defined processes for data requests.

Where possible owners should position their cameras to only capture their own property. However, if this isn’t possible and the CCTV captures someone else's property, a public area or communal space, then data protection law applies. This is because CCTV can capture images and voices of other people, and this counts as their personal information.

Home CCTV systems

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[Vipernet]

We regularly have the police in at our work as our cctv covers a main street. Gotten quite friendly with them and even been asked to adjust cameras to show more of the street! We do have signs up, but only on one side of the building.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

Update
The Police came while Man City v Liverpool were on
I went through the footage but no sign of anybody so they must have come over from the house that backs onto it and my rear cameras don't look into his garden so I had nothing for them.
I didn't touch on the subject of legalities but said we watched 100s of Crime documentaries and the Police would get nowhere if it wasn't for people like us with CCTV which they acknowledged.
They said the most tedious one was a route they had been given, to go and trace every bit of home/business CCTV and they spent 3 months on it piecing movements together.

 

[Simon42]

@Simon42
A neighbour has been round about a shed break in which he's reported and I know at sometime the cops will be calling for the 10th time for video.
Do I tell them that it is only setup to capture my drive and nothing beyond or do I do the decent thing and handover what I've got?
You do have me worried now with what you've been saying.

I watch 100s of police/murder programmes and they will setup a CCTV team to trawl through a neighbourhood collecting home CCTV and piecing it together which can sometimes take weeks. None of these homeowners are fined for recording out into the street.
Has any criminal ever successfully had their conviction turned over because a home CCTV should never have been filming them?
You've got me totally confused now.

If I or anyone I know or installed CCTV for, had video that could get a conviction of a serious crime with images clear enough to show criminals faces then of course they should be provided.

However this is rarely the case. The Police need to show they've done their work so ask for CCTV even when most recordings cannot lead to a prosecution. Those asked often feel they've done something special and feel great by providing evidence that the Police say is extremely helpful even when they know it cannot help with a conviction. We often see CCTV of people stealing cars, speeding and committing other crimes but these videos are just entertainment as without very specific details and clear faces that's all they are.

On the flip side, as I and a number of my customers's know, if someone complains about your CCTV and uses the kids excuse to make it seem worse then those same Police forces can come knocking over your potential crime and being a sexual predator.

For me the most important point is not impacting on people's privacy. When friends or customers say to me I don't mind recording video/audio of my neighbours or passers buy my first question is how would you like them to record your every comment and action when outside your home or even in it with doors and windows open.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

It’s fine to capture the street but you need to be prepared to deal with subject access requests and you shouldn’t keep the footage for an unreasonable amount of time.

What’s not fine is any video OR audio recordings which capture private property without permission. This is particularly the case with back gardens where there is absolutely an expectation of privacy.

Just be careful round the front that you are not capturing any images through people’s windows or doors without permission.

Be very careful round the back regarding audio. If there is any scope of capturing normal conversations happening outside your property boundary, which is likely if you are attached and the camera is near the boundary, that’s a hard no from a legal perspective. You’d have to not capture audio.

Edit: @SexyGreyFox the police are not going to tell you off if your CCTV camera are breaching another persons privacy. It’s a civil matter, not a criminal one.

What that does mean is one of your neighbours could take you to court and extract damages/compensation from you. That’s why it’s a good idea to speak to your neighbours if there is a risk you are capturing video or audio of their property to make sure they are aware. They have the opportunity to tell you no and that’s to cover your own back.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

Edit: @SexyGreyFox the police are not going to tell you off if your CCTV camera are breaching another persons privacy. It’s a civil matter, not a criminal one.

What that does mean is one of your neighbours could take you to court and extract damages/compensation from you. That’s why it’s a good idea to speak to your neighbours if there is a risk you are capturing video or audio of their property to make sure they are aware. They have the opportunity to tell you no and that’s to cover your own back.

My immediate neighbours have access to my camera, i think i posted that above.
The one who hasn't has got a Nokia or something but he has asked me to check video for him in the past, his daughter turns up causing trouble and the Police have had video off me twice.
There are zero kids around, we're all Pensioners and they are grateful for the Neighbourhood Watch and I also have links to three other houses cameras.
If one moans I'll black them out.
Also concerning recorded video, it all disappears after 5 days which has caused problems because I haven't had the video when they've asked a week later.

 

[Simon42]

If you're that worried that my CCTV is recording your latest dogging hotspot, or your Friday afternoon, pre-pub Columbian Marching Powder pickup, then politely take yourself further away from my cameras...

I installed CCTV professionally for many years and know the requirements and legal vs civil implications so this comment is childish at best.