Homeworld: Remastered CPU Benchmarks

[Scurburg]

This is not going to chance until AMD suffer a dramatic reversal in financial fortunes and ave the billions to pump into coming up with some kind of miracle architecture. This will likely now never happen due to how far behind the company has fallen in the CPU market.

They do have some funding now and there has been a thread with some details about it all.

And I think you are missing the point a lot of people are trying to make and getting slightly annoyed. Its not that Dave is completely wrong, its that he cherry picks, over exaggerates, and disregards the significant budget difference. Apparently according to him, increasing someone budget by 40%+ is a minor increase.
Even people that agree Intel is the better choice do not agree with his slightly dishonest tactics and his constant telling anyone that has got an AMD that they are foolish for the choice. He has no direct experience to base the comparison on other than his cherry picket benchmarks, while he ignores others that have had direct experience of both.

 

[ALXAndy]

while he ignores others that have had direct experience of both.

And that's the crux.

People call me a fanboy yet I own a variety of both. They obviously don't understand what a fanboy is, because quite frankly a fanboy will flat out refuse to own ANYTHING that isn't made by his idol.

LOL I've got enough computer gear here to start a nuclear war. Seven times over. Maybe it's that he couldn't afford both so he has made a decision and jumped into one bed?

Want the facts? The FX 8 is AMD's best CPU. It sits a tiny, tiny bit above the I5 4670k when used properly yet miles behind the I7s. It doesn't even get a second look in with any Intel hex core CPU. I mean, Intel's best is literally twice as productive in points and results.

Sounds bad doesn't it? well no, not really. It's more productive* than an I5 yet costs £70 or so less. So in theory you can buy an FX 8 and a motherboard for the same price. The Intel 8 core that's twice as powerful? costs eight times as much.

* when I say productive I mean to some one who knows how a processor works and could possibly actually make use of it properly. Not sit around playing games that are poorly coded whilst chewing on a freshly picked bogey. If you are running a virtual machine or several or X split or anything that can actually put some tax onto the AMD the AMD will shine. In fact, the FX 8 supports instruction sets that the I5 doesn't, meaning some of the virtual stuff can't even be ran on an I5 any way. Deliberate move by Intel to force you onto the locked I7s at last check.

The AMDs also make perfect sense if you are looking to build a cheap professional workstation or heck, even a server. Though with the server at least you would probably consider an Opteron, given they cost about a quarter of their comparative Xeon.

As some one who professes to actually like AMD old Dave does a great job in actually learning WTF he's talking about and understanding just exactly where the FX 8 fits into the market before running off his mouth.

 

[Richdog]

Yeah mate aww poo I'm sorry you caught me out. Total AMD fanboy me how did you ever guess?









+ 8 core Xeon Hackamac + Intel Pentium Anniversary ITX rig.

Do you want me to carry on? how about my ROG I7 laptop?

Your language etc is the stereotypical overly emotional, aggressive, unobjective twoddle used by people who can't look at something calmly and rationally. I stand by what I said, regardless sof whatever kit you buy.

 

[Davedree]

Your language etc is the stereotypical overly emotional, unobjective used by people who can't look at something calmly and rationally, like some young teeny type. I stand by what I said, whatever kit you buy.

(Yeah mate aww poo I'm sorry you caught me out. Total AMD fanboy me how did you ever guess?) links of his intel hardware.
That is actually an example of a sarcastic response to your incorrect (Congrats for playing up to the stereotypical fanboy spiel).

Andy's post are straight to the point but from an experienced opinion ''This is how it is accept it or don't, but I don't care''
He provides a great insight into the games played by Intel and Amd, whilst most people probably don't agree with his out the box thinking I personally think he is spot on most of the time, (ie his intel server handme downs theory).

 

[Martini1991]

Andys worse than a fanboy from my point of view.

 

[ALXAndy]

Your language etc is the stereotypical overly emotional, aggressive, unobjective twoddle used by people who can't look at something calmly and rationally. I stand by what I said, regardless sof whatever kit you buy.

Course you stand by what you said because you're the CID of fan boys.

Andys worse than a fanboy from my point of view.

Yeah unbiased common sense is not welcome around these parts eh?

Now Skeeter, leave him alarn, he's not buvverin' anybody

We don't like your sort ran heer, if you don't like 'Murica you can get the hell ouut.

 

[Martini1991]

Half of what you post is factually incorrect, from all vendors.
And common sense? If that's what you want to call it be my guest.

You might have a lot of equipment from all vendors, you might have some very nice set ups.
But that doesn't mean you know your stuff.

 

[ALXAndy]

Half of what you post is factually incorrect, from all vendors.
And common sense? If that's what you want to call it be my guest.

You might have a lot of equipment from all vendors, you might have some very nice set ups.
But that doesn't mean you know your stuff.

Pop over to MLG and start a thread there and I'll return your grace and offer up my opinion of you there, like you smugly do here about me.

 

[Martini1991]

No thanks. I haven't actually called you "anything" right here. I just don't value your opinion or what you put across as facts.
Apart from that. You've got some good gear.

 

[ALXAndy]

No thanks. I haven't actually called you "anything" right here. I just don't value your opinion or what you put across as facts.
Apart from that. You've got some good gear.

I'm quite aware you haven't called me anything. If you did you would be on a ban. Instead you just drop by with your sly, smarmy little comments from time to time reminding every one how clever you are and how stupid I am.

If you don't value my opinion then grow a set and put me on ignore. That way I won't have you hear you whining about me any more.

As I said if you're interested in my opinion of you then by all means stop by MLG where I won't get banned for speaking my mind and I'll happily let you know.

 

[Martini1991]

I have you on ignore.
But occasionally I like to see what FUD you're posting.

And I'm not quite sure how putting someone on ignore constitutes "having balls"

And I rarely ever respond to you.

I have no interest in your opinion. I couldn't care if you thought I was the lowest of the low, I find it interesting that you need to go somewhere that'll allow you to "insult" me to express your opinion on me though.

 

[ALXAndy]

I have you on ignore.
But occasionally I like to see what FUD you're posting.

Congratulations you have fallen straight into the trap. That's exactly what I mean. Smarmy smug little posts from time to time reminding every one how fantastically great you are.

 

[Martini1991]

I'm not saying I'm great.
But when people are posting the wrong information, and having their own little agenda, it makes me uncomfortable seeing you (Or anyone else) advising someone else with their money.

Same case with DaveXXXX when he's on an Anti-AMD rant with incorrect info.

You're too happy to play graph wars and say "BUT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT THE CPU" than have a reasonable and rational discussion overall.

If it was someone saying "BUY INTEL AT EVERY PRICE POINT" I'd pull them up on it too.

This is nothing personal.

 

[ALXAndy]

I'm not saying I'm great.
But when people are posting the wrong information, and having their own little agenda, it makes me uncomfortable seeing you (Or anyone else) advising someone else with their money.

You seem to have this obsession about being right. Like the only thing that matters in our universe is when some one is wrong and boy, you do love to point it out !

Seriously if you knew how you came across you'd have a serious word with yourself. In fact, maybe you don't care and maybe you truly are like that.

In which case, as I said, ignore me and stop with the smarmy comments about me talking 'FUD'.

Same case with DaveXXXX when he's on an Anti-AMD rant with incorrect info.

You're too happy to play graph wars and say "BUT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT THE CPU" than have a reasonable and rational discussion overall.

If it was someone saying "BUY INTEL AT EVERY PRICE POINT" I'd pull them up on it too.

This is nothing personal.

I haven't posted anything incorrect thanks. Only thing I posted statistically was the results on Dying Light, just to show Dave he was being a cherry picking hypocrite.

As for it being personal? look - as I said my opinion of you is so low and so bad that I would truly actually resort to name calling. So as I said, if you're truly interested then go over to MLG where I will gladly enlighten you. Give me a chance to answer back to your continued posts ****ging me off saying I'm talking 'FUD'. Accusing some one of talking crap in one line is very rude and quite insulting.

Do you actually realise how badly you come across? or as I said, do you just not care?

 

[Martini1991]

Not greatly fussed how I come across if it prevents people buying X or Y from bung advice.

 

[ALXAndy]

Not greatly fussed how I come across if it prevents people buying X or Y from bung advice.

Of course you're not.

 

[Dave2150]

The Intel Witnesses are in strange denial.

Only and I repeat; only when you skew the benchmarks and cherry pick does the I3 win in anything. And the reason behind it is quite clear - bad game support.

It's no wonder who is in charge of our country when there are so many deluded people out there who don't seem to understand that if a CPU isn't supported correctly then guess what? it won't work properly !

FFS how can you take a game that supports two cores, ignores the other six and even so much as think it's even partially fair?

If I took three of the wheels off your car and it refused to budge would you blame the engine? or would you logically and intelligently deduce that the wheels are missing so there is nothing the engine can do about it?

Look. The internet has been around for a very, very long time now. 1/8 of your natural life. If you haven't figured out now that people on there abuse statistics and bend and warp the truth then I feel awfully, horridly sorry for you.



pmsl I might have that one for my sig. You really want them to do well yet you're on here, day after day, ****ging off their processors when you have no actual grasp of how a processor works, nor how software can totally and utterly make or break it, regardless of how bad or good the CPU is.

You're a fanboy and fanboys will stop at absolutely nothing to drive their point home, even if it's as bent as a nine bob note.

Your car analogy doesn't make sense, in my opinion.

Whilst it's true that the FX's shine if a game uses all 8 threads, the fact of the matter is that there are plenty of games out there that don't use more than one or two cores.

AMD knew full well when they introduced Bulldozer, that the majority of games and applications used by mainstream users are not well threaded. They chose to bet on their modular cripple cores, in the hopes that software would change quickly.

Software didn't change quickly, even today we have games developed and released that are not well threaded. This is no-one's fault but AMD's.

I'm not going to get into an argument with you Andy, whether you see me as an Intel fanboy or not doesn't bother me. I've already said that I've owned AMD graphics cards for years, plus I've owned many AMD CPU's in the past, when they were highly competitive with Intel or outright superior.

If Zen is competitive, I'll be sure to consider it if I'm in need of an upgrade.

You questioned whether I could afford an AMD setup as well as an Intel setup - yes I could, since the AMD FX series are very cheap. I however have no use of another PC, beyond my two Intel rigs (I7 gaming PC, Core2 duo server/media streaming PC). My old AMD rigs were sold, though I turned my good old FX-60 CPU into a keyring

Oh, it was mentioned in one of the above posts that I didn't consider the FX range of CPU's as having a place in a budget build. This is simply not true - I've stated several times that those who cannot afford the extra £110 or that a I5 4690k and Z97 costs should get an FX series CPU/motherboard.

I'd still recommend that someone in that situation saved up for the i5 though

 

[Martini1991]

Wouldn't quite say it's AMD's fault that software hasn't became as threaded as they'd hoped, they've made moves themselves to help (but since its AMD, it's half effort and doesn't have continuous support).
And it sounds like AMD are making moves to join reality with Zen.
Really hoping zen is good.

 

[OspreyO]

...the first being the 1.4Ghz 'Thunderbird' Athlon many years ago (I foolishly bought a 60mm Delta Focused flow fan ...

A great era. man those fans.


I wonder will my Q6700+HD7750 run it.

 

[ALXAndy]

Your car analogy doesn't make sense, in my opinion.

Really? you really have problems understanding something so simple?

Let me remove the car analogy. Time for some facts.

Fact. When FX launched it was a very strange beast. It doesn't work like Intel CPUs and thus needed savage software support. It didn't get it.

However, if you look at stuff like Winzip and anything that actually worked on the original Bulldozer you can get a rough idea of how good it is. IE - it was right up there with the I7 2600k, no mean feat.

I also want to clear up a few other non truths, whilst I'm at it.

1. AMD CPUs are not hot. The hottest you can get one to is high 60s low 70s. After which they simply crash. No AMD CPU I've had can take any more heat that than. Power consumption I've never argued over and I'm not about to start now. Why? because I've had a hundred power hungry Intel CPUs (like my 950, 140w stock) and I've never cared so I'm not about to start now.

2. When supported correctly AMD CPUs are actually quite amazing. In fact, if you compare their power to performance ratio they are in fact the best value CPUs on the planet.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8320+Eight-Core

And more importantly -



Passmark compiles the data and supports every known CPU on the planet correctly.

Your problem, Dave, is that you're such an intense fan boy that you absolutely and unequivocally refuse to see any of the good in AMD CPUs *AT ALL*.

Because to you it's a who can pee the highest competition and thus, because Intel have the 5960x you absolutely and utterly see nothing else. You're so blind sided by that it's unreal.

Honestly, daring to even so much as imply that an I3 can even so much as sniff the footsteps of an FX 8 is probably THE most hilarious thing I have ever heard some one say in all of my 42 years on this planet. It shows a clear, utterly blank understanding of how a CPU works. It really is *that* bad.

Whilst it's true that the FX's shine if a game uses all 8 threads, the fact of the matter is that there are plenty of games out there that don't use more than one or two cores.

And do you see? there's that blindness again. All you see is Intel winning. You absolutely refuse, stubbornly, to see anything else.

Let me put something to you here - what about the games that do see all 8 threads and the software that does see all 8 threads and comes within a whisker of being as quick as a CPU that costs, no no, wait for it - eight hundred pounds.

Don't you think that's rather amazing for a CPU that costs one hundred pounds.

Of course you don't see it. If you did there wouldn't be threads like this.

The problem here Dave is people like me. People that own pretty much every PC hardware toy worth having that can come along and say sorry, you're talking crap.

Accuse me of what you like. Accuse me of being a fanboy because I tell you what you will never, EVER meet any one more open minded and open to pretty much everything. Ever met the man who has everything? you have now.

AMD knew full well when they introduced Bulldozer, that the majority of games and applications used by mainstream users are not well threaded. They chose to bet on their modular cripple cores, in the hopes that software would change quickly.

They're not crippled cores. That's another myth. They're perfectly priced and perfectly adequate. The software part I totally agree with you on but you're doing it again. IE - accusing the CPU itself of being bad instead of actually seeing that it's not the CPU at all, it's the software. Now I *do* blame that on AMD. It was very naive of them to think they could come along with this very odd core layout and get it supported straight away.

Fact is they didn't do it on purpose they simply sold what they had made. And as I said, the design and so on were all ones they were familiar with at the time because that's what they were doing, making server CPUs where high core counts are relished.

But you don't seem to understand why. AMD are an ant when compared to some one like Intel. Mostly because Intel are bloody good at brainwashing people. Otherwise would would have even touched the P4 with its crap speed, crap temps and crap stupid memory you needed for it that cost an absolute bloody fortune? (I refer to RDRAM here and RIMMS).

AMD just don't have the money to compete with Intel. I'm not going to butter it up, my point stands - they are a mere ant. An insect on Intel's backside. That's the truth and I'm a realist.

So basically you need to just take what you're given. The problem is like I mentioned before, just because Intel make the 5960x you can not see anything good in AMD at all. To you they need to be competing at the very top otherwise GTFO.

Your attitude absolutely stinks. Sadly there are people who actually listen to people like you.

Software didn't change quickly, even today we have games developed and released that are not well threaded. This is no-one's fault but AMD's.

That.Still.Doesn't.Make.The.CPU.Bad. It simply means it doesn't work properly.

I'm not going to get into an argument with you Andy, whether you see me as an Intel fanboy or not doesn't bother me. I've already said that I've owned AMD graphics cards for years, plus I've owned many AMD CPU's in the past, when they were highly competitive with Intel or outright superior.

Stop going on pretending that what you do is acceptable. Going around ****ging off AMD whilst turning your head and slyly saying that you like AMD. You don't, that's perfectly clear to me. The fact you buy their GPUs shows what sort of a person you are.

As for arguing with me? tough. Until you start acting like a human being the sooner I won't be wasting my time putting you straight.

You questioned whether I could afford an AMD setup as well as an Intel setup - yes I could, since the AMD FX series are very cheap. I however have no use of another PC, beyond my two Intel rigs (I7 gaming PC, Core2 duo server/media streaming PC). My old AMD rigs were sold, though I turned my good old FX-60 CPU into a keyring

Oh, it was mentioned in one of the above posts that I didn't consider the FX range of CPU's as having a place in a budget build. This is simply not true - I've stated several times that those who cannot afford the extra £110 or that a I5 4690k and Z97 costs should get an FX series CPU/motherboard.

I'd still recommend that someone in that situation saved up for the i5 though

I don't care about your financial situation. It would be even worse if you did have the money to try an AMD CPU for yourself instead of ****ging them off all the time, rather than actually giving it a go.

But, that speaks volumes doesn't it? the mere fact that you've never had one, never overclocked one and have absolutely no experience.

Job done.