House prices rose 7.3% this year, average now almost £250k

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On the other hand, when it comes to how much of the total UK tax revenue comes from people of certain age groups:
  • People over 65: 12%
  • People under 35: 15%
You can't keep on milking young people

To me those figures don't look like we're "milking young people".
The other 73% of tax revenue from your figures must come from the 35-65 age group so that seems fair that the generally higher paid workers pay the most but the under 35s (who are of working age) only contributing a similar amount as the over 65s (who are mostly pensioners) is surprising.
 
Mine don't (they don't live here), and yeah, we need an inheritance cap and all loopholes closed.

Inheritance cap? There is already inheritance tax why the need for a cap? Inheritance tax was introduced to help redistribute wealth from the richest elsewhere.

As for closing loopholes that isn't as easy or straight forward as just saying so. The only loophole I know of is the trust system where it's placed in a trust to be passed on. I'm not sure exactly how they work but their are tax implications which arise from putting assets into a trust and tax returns required to be submitted every year and further tax implications every tenth anniversary. It's not as if you out it in a trust and avoid all taxes. Plus there are further costs involved of running and administering a trust and also once you out assets into a trust they are no longer your personal property.

WHY CREATE A TRUST?
Trusts may be used for a great number of different purposes, and can be structured to suit the particular circumstances of the settlor and the beneficiaries. The more common uses of trusts

– to hold the assets for minors or persons who are physically or mentally incapable;

– to protect the assets against those beneficiaries with a tendency to spend;

– to attend to the succession of the assets on the settlor’s death;

– to provide a level of asset protection for beneficiaries who may become bankrupt or divorced;

– to provide for charitable purposes or objects;

– to provide for confidentiality;

– to assist with tax planning;

– to hold pension funds and insurance policies.


So if you simply removed trusts you would be disadvantaging all the people who use them for other reasons than tax planning.

If you put your home into a trust it's then subject to capital gains tax for instance whereas if it weren't in a trust your main residence doesn't attract CGT when sold. So there are also downsides to a trust and therefore they aren't as straightforward as one may think they are in terms of reducing tax as they increase taxes elsewhere.

This isn't a loophole it was made law in the 12th century as a means of protecting land assets. It was done on purpose. It's not a grey area in which people operate it's fully legal and the intention of the legislation on which it operates on.

Inheritance thresholds are already far too low IMO. I mean £325k isn't a lot when the average house price alone is £250k.

So you work your whole life paying taxes. You happen to have bought a decent home in a decent area and over your life it's increased in value very well to the point it's worth 10 times what you paid for it. Now when you die your kids won't be able to keep it because everything over the threshold is taxed at 40%. So you need to sell the house to pay the bill even though it's bought and paid for.

Someone could quite easily live in a home worth circa £750k to £1m and not have more than say £20k in cash in the bank. Everything they earned was ploughed into the home and it just so happens to be now worth a lot of money.

I believe that the threshold should be 20 times the average wage per parent. So more than double what the current thresholds are.

That means yeah multi millionaires will rightfully pay inheritance tax however those that just so happened to do okay and worked hard but aren't stinking rich aren't screwed over upon their deaths.

There is a line and I believe the line currently is far too low. However those that won't receive much of an inheritance will obviously be biased the other way.
 
Inheritance cap? There is already inheritance tax why the need for a cap? Inheritance tax was introduced to help redistribute wealth from the richest elsewhere.

Inheritance tax is fine, and I think it's currently too high. We need to scrap it for people with under £1m in assets, have a marginal 50% or something at above it and raise the marginal rate to 100% (a cap) for assets above £25m. All ballpark numbers. ******* kids of multimillionaires will be fine getting £25m in inheritance instead of £250m, they won't die of hunger or go homeless.

That money can then be reinvested in education, social housing or local infrastructure.
 
Inheritance tax is fine, and I think it's currently too high. We need to scrap it for people with under £1m in assets, have a marginal 50% or something at above it and raise the marginal rate to 100% (a cap) for assets above £25m. All ballpark numbers. ******* kids of multimillionaires will be fine getting £25m in inheritance instead of £250m, they won't die of hunger or go homeless.

That money can then be reinvested in education, social housing or local infrastructure.

All that will do is make people hide it elsewhere or give it away before hand so you get 0% of everything over £25m rather than 40% or you will have the wealthy who aren't exactly short of options just make themselves residents elsewhere.
 
All that will do is make people hide it elsewhere or give it away before hand so you get 0% of everything over £25m rather than 40% or you will have the wealthy who aren't exactly short of options just make themselves residents elsewhere.

They already hide it to avoid the 40%.
 
Nobody wants to see them drop apart from people who don't own a house.
Everyone who owns a house doesn't want the price to fall.

It's more complex than just 'I don't want prices to drop' factors come in to play, the economy, inflation, job security, interest rates and mortgage availability.

People that just want to see house prices increase are just seeing $$$$, not seeing the bigger picture at all and are ultimately shooting themselves in the foot.

I am trying to sell mine and move up in the same area. It is now looking unlikely that I will be able to stay in the same area. That 100k extra that I needed to find has now turned into 200k. So house price inflation hasn't helped me.

The covid pandemic has just gone gone to show what a bunch of selfish ****s live in this country.
 
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It's more complex than just 'I don't want prices to drop' factors come in to play, the economy, inflation, job security, interest rates and mortgage availability.

People that just want to see house prices increase are just seeing $$$$, not seeing the bigger picture at all and are ultimately shooting themselves in the foot.

I am trying to sell mine and move up in the same area. It is now looking unlikely that I will be able to stay in the same area. That 100k extra that I needed to find has now turned into 200k. So house price inflation hasn't helped me.

The covid pandemic has just gone gone to show what a bunch of selfish ****s live in this country.

Not wanting prices to fall and wanting them to increase are two different things.

I'm all for normal increases in line with wages and inflation.

However there is no way it would be a good thing for all the homes to suddenly be worth half what they were a week ago.

I don't want to see either a dramatic fall or increase. Neither helps anyone apart from those seeking just their own benefit.

If house prices in your area increased by 100k thanks to Covid in your area then surely your house has also increased in value?

So I'm not sure why you suddenly need £200k more. House prices have increased by a few percent is £100k is a few percent of what you were looking at then I'm sure you will survive.
 
It seems some people are looking to move to less desirable areas looking at that, Leeds, Bolton, Doncaster, Grimsby and Wolverhampton are not places I'd be looking at purchasing a house but they're all in the top 20 increases.

Thing is with more and more people working from home they don't need to be within commutable distance of the office and a decent internet connection is more important than decent transport links.
 
It seems some people are looking to move to less desirable areas looking at that, Leeds, Bolton, Doncaster, Grimsby and Wolverhampton are not places I'd be looking at purchasing a house but they're all in the top 20 increases.

Thing is with more and more people working from home they don't need to be within commutable distance of the office and a decent internet connection is more important than decent transport links.
I was certainly surprised by some of the place names on the list. Great for the people already owning a house there I suppose who can now move away!
 
I was certainly surprised by some of the place names on the list. Great for the people already owning a house there I suppose who can now move away!

Where to though? An even more **** area? :p
House price inflation is bad for normal people. Speculators/investors aside, best option for all would be for prices to hold steady, undergo a general erosion of value in line with inflation, & a geographic value redistribution due to the decreasing need to be within X minutes of an office 5 days a week (This is happening).
 
The only people who benefit from ever increasing house prices are the banks. Larger mortgages, and the illusion that you have ‘made money’ on your house giving you the idea to ‘reinvest’ in a larger more expensive house.

we need to revamp planning and building. Planning needs to be quicker and less of a dark art available to more people with a focus on modern building design focusing on efficiency whilst holding onto the soul of the space it is built.

there needs to be a change in the industry to re-write the wrongs of the mass produced 80’s & 90’s crap houses. There should never be the situation where “older houses are better” but this was created with a race to the bottom.

all the time the conversation sits on the ‘cost’ of houses only ends up with people who own thier house or have investments in housing wanting them to go up and people who don’t want them to go down. No change really happens.

innovate what and how we build and we would see the shift.
 
The only people who benefit from ever increasing house prices are the banks. Larger mortgages, and the illusion that you have ‘made money’ on your house giving you the idea to ‘reinvest’ in a larger more expensive house.
Well that isn't really true is it. If you own a property then you can sell it to fund your retirement, or when you pass away then give it to your children.
 
They can do whatever they want with the money, how is that relevant? If their parents had been renting then they'd end up with little to nothing.

its not irrelevant. as They would be paying the inflated price for a house.

If they don’t need a mortgage, and can use the money to buy out right, then they add to the demand model pushing the price up, then the people who do need a mortgage, need a bigger mortgage... etc.
 
its not irrelevant. as They would be paying the inflated price for a house.

If they don’t need a mortgage, and can use the money to buy out right, then they add to the demand model pushing the price up, then the people who do need a mortgage, need a bigger mortgage... etc.
Your argument was that the only people who benefit from increasing house prices is banks. That is clearly untrue - anyone inheriting a property that a family member had the foresight and worked hard for to buy will benefit, and that isn't a small number of people.
 
its not irrelevant. as They would be paying the inflated price for a house.

If they don’t need a mortgage, and can use the money to buy out right, then they add to the demand model pushing the price up, then the people who do need a mortgage, need a bigger mortgage... etc.

Prices don't always go up.

It's supply and demand.

I can show you several areas within a 30 minute drive if me and some within 5 minutes that have lost up to £100k in value over the past 12 years. Houses in the £300k-£500k range.

So not exactly cheap houses in dumps that nobody wants to live in. But areas where there was huge demand and lots of money floating around but people who were smart realised that so long as you don't need a new build you can buy a better house in a much better area for the same price or even cheaper.

New builds tend to be overpriced around here by at least 20% sometimes as high as 30%. I've never seen anyone make money on a new build other than the absolute top areas where demand just always outstrips supply.
 
Prices don't always go up.

It's supply and demand.

I can show you several areas within a 30 minute drive if me and some within 5 minutes that have lost up to £100k in value over the past 12 years. Houses in the £300k-£500k range.

So not exactly cheap houses in dumps that nobody wants to live in. But areas where there was huge demand and lots of money floating around but people who were smart realised that so long as you don't need a new build you can buy a better house in a much better area for the same price or even cheaper.

New builds tend to be overpriced around here by at least 20% sometimes as high as 30%. I've never seen anyone make money on a new build other than the absolute top areas where demand just always outstrips supply.

They don't always go up, they usually do. There's this thing called statistics that can measure these. While you can always find exceptions, on average, property prices have gone up by over 200% in the last 20 years while inflation has been 75% and wages have only grown by 76% (barely keeping up with inflation). That means the average person in this country who wants to buy a home now, after adjusting for inflation and wage increases, needs to pay more than twice the prices they used to pay 20 years ago.

You can keep denying this, and say people can buy a tent in Sub Saharan Africa and 5 acres around it for £250, however the reality remains that buying a home now is more than twice as difficult as it was only 20 years ago. To deny this is to wage a war against mathematics.
 
That is clearly untrue - anyone inheriting a property that a family member had the foresight and worked hard for to buy will benefit, and that isn't a small number of people.
Firstly, let's face facts. Hardly any boomers had the 'foresight' to invest in property, they just did what was (and should still be) natural which is the buy a home of their own to live in. What happened afterwards was nothing more than luck.

I'm not seeing any benefit to boomer parents sitting on expensive homes. For the most part they are staying there well into retirement and that means their millennial kids won't see that probably until their fifties/sixties. That is absolutely useless. Are we forgetting the whole point of having a larger house is to raise kids in? How is that going to work in your fifties? Obviously you'll turn around and say 'well boomers can remortgage/borrow on their house earlier in life' but tell me who wins with that? Oh yes... the banks... lol :rolleyes:
 
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