House prices rose 7.3% this year, average now almost £250k

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Where do you live? :D

Half a mil for 600 sq/ft? So £833 per sq/ft? Only a handful fo London boroughs are more expensive :rolleyes:

I was generally planning for £600 per sq/ft for my starter home.
Well technically it is 632sq/ft. Certain London boroughs would be equivalent but it's a dump in comparison. I'm close enough for lunch and meetings but 5 years in the smoke is enough :D
 
For everyone that says building more homes is key to solving the housing crisis, yeah right :rolleyes: https://www.theguardian.com/artandd...s-battersea-london-luxury-housing-development

They're going to be building 15,000 homes there, absolutely none of them will be for 'normal' people. Well worth a read.
Yes, you have to move to suburbia. Nice affordable home waiting for you in Stevenage or Milton Keynes.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-72283710.html

£200k , 25min from kings x
 
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Surprise surprise. Building ultra luxury super expensive homes that less than 1% of the people can afford, sold at 75% margin, didn't help solve the housing crisis.
Russian oligarchs need 152nd homes too, you know. Or just places to wash their dirty money :p

Nobody needs to live in London. Or the UK. We should all just move to Slovenia. Or Poland. Plenty of cheap houses there!

Entitled Brits thinking they ought to be able to afford a place in the UK, should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, like the Russian oligarchs did :p
 
£5.4k per year season ticket though, so almost £11k for a working couple, almost £1000 per month just goes to transport.
Well I guess he could wait for his affordable flat on the river, but it's probably never going to happen.

Rent in London for a flat will be 11k too anyway.
 
For everyone that says building more homes is key to solving the housing crisis, yeah right :rolleyes: https://www.theguardian.com/artandd...s-battersea-london-luxury-housing-development

They're going to be building 15,000 homes there, absolutely none of them will be for 'normal' people. Well worth a read.

Ha I was commercially responsible for 1000 of those. The social element we built was exceptional. The only real difference was the kitchens, the sizes were similar to the privates.

The whole area was run down old single storey lock ups and lorry depots. There must be a few thousand social housing apartments created in Zone 1 plus all the infrastructure to support it. It’s not all bad news.

Anyway everyone is moving to Cornwall


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I've walked through many of those places and love them. They also took bloody ages to get to from anything remotely like civilisation.

I can't help thinking a lot of people are going to have a nasty surprise when life returns to a new kind of normal. Even going to an office.. I dunno, once a fortnight or something? Would be a royal PITA
 
@FoxEye more Londoners are coming your ways. Get those scythe out!
Looe, Padstow, (etc) have long since been surrendered to the foreigners. You're more likely to hear a cockney accent in those places than a westcountry accent :p

So long as they buy one house and live in it, fair do's. People can live where they want. It's greed and exploitation I don't like, not people moving around.

OK there is another thing :p People who come here and expect all the locals to be grateful for their presence. Subservient, even. Because "You're a tourist economy and without us coming here you'd have nothing." Which we get told quite a lot. And if we don't bow and courtesy they leave bad reviews about "rude and unpleasant locals". Lol.
 
Russian oligarchs need 152nd homes too, you know. Or just places to wash their dirty money :p

Nobody needs to live in London. Or the UK. We should all just move to Slovenia. Or Poland. Plenty of cheap houses there!

Entitled Brits thinking they ought to be able to afford a place in the UK, should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, like the Russian oligarchs did :p

Surely there is a happy middle ground.
 
Yes, you have to move to suburbia.
Prices in suburbia are rising faster than London. What's your sticking plaster solution when prices start rising so fast that investors start buying up all the properties (actually, they are already doing this) and making them unaffordable? Also, note the season ticket costs as noted. It's totally ridiculous for a couple to pay £10k+ on our trains.

Who would have thought zone 1 luxury apartments would be expensive.
You missed the point.

£5.4k per year season ticket though, so almost £11k for a working couple, almost £1000 per month just goes to transport.
Exactly.

There must be a few thousand social housing apartments created in Zone 1
Do you know what number in this development exactly? As the article states, this was derelict ground ripe for any sort of project suitable to improve housing in the area. But no, they just built a few thousand safety deposit boxes for Russian oligarchs and further fuelled the problem. Like most developments in/around London and our cities.

I did like the quote where the guy said he'd rather buy a flat in Wuhan :p
 
Prices in suburbia are rising faster than London. What's your sticking plaster solution when prices start rising so fast that investors start buying up all the properties (actually, they are already doing this) and making them unaffordable? Also, note the season ticket costs as noted. It's totally ridiculous for a couple to pay £10k+ on our trains.

You missed the point.

Exactly.

Do you know what number in this development exactly? As the article states, this was derelict ground ripe for any sort of project suitable to improve housing in the area. But no, they just built a few thousand safety deposit boxes for Russian oligarchs and further fuelled the problem. Like most developments in/around London and our cities.

I did like the quote where the guy said he'd rather buy a flat in Wuhan :p
What was your point exactly? That Zone 1 land with massive demand should have housing built on it that is affordable? Affordable to whom, exactly? What is your definition of affordable/
 
What was your point exactly? That Zone 1 land with massive demand should have housing built on it that is affordable? Affordable to whom, exactly? What is your definition of affordable/
My first point is when people complain about unaffordable housing, the answer is usually "build more houses". This whole mess at Nine Elms is proof that you can build 15,000 properties but all it does is give foreign investors empty deposit boxes with which to launder their money.

My second point is for those people who say it's just "supply and demand". The Nine Elms mess shows that this "demand" is a false economy. The "demand" is investors wanting to buy up these homes to make a quick buck. Remove them from the equation and we would have 15,000 properties at much lower prices and more that would be genuinely affordably to people that wish to pay more for a prime London location.

I don't see how anyone can read that article and not admit what a nonsense our housing market is. Brushing it off as a London problem is ignorant, at best. These sorts of developments are happening all over the country and they're a prime example of why young people can't afford that 2 bedroom start home - because it's already been sold off plan to an investor or landlord.
 
My first point is when people complain about unaffordable housing, the answer is usually "build more houses". This whole mess at Nine Elms is proof that you can build 15,000 properties but all it does is give foreign investors empty deposit boxes with which to launder their money.

My second point is for those people who say it's just "supply and demand". The Nine Elms mess shows that this "demand" is a false economy. The "demand" is investors wanting to buy up these homes to make a quick buck. Remove them from the equation and we would have 15,000 properties at much lower prices and more that would be genuinely affordably to people that wish to pay more for a prime London location.

I don't see how anyone can read that article and not admit what a nonsense our housing market is. Brushing it off as a London problem is ignorant, at best. These sorts of developments are happening all over the country and they're a prime example of why young people can't afford that 2 bedroom start home - because it's already been sold off plan to an investor or landlord.
What costs do you think are involved in building something like Nine Elms? What return on your investment would you expect to see given the clear risks in developing these properties? How do you think these building firms get the balance sheet strength to build affordable housing? When would you expect to get paid from your investment? How are you going to cover interest payments on your loaned capital for such a massive development?

You still aren't defining affordable. But I guarantee even through basic demand and supply, those 15,000 apartments are not going be any less than £450-650k for a one bed. Buying off plan is also a critical point to securing this high demand property, and a lot of non-investors are not willing to do that.

The housing market is indeed nonsense but have you ever been to London? It is the capital of Europe. It is on par with Singapore, New York, Syndey. A financial and professional services power house. This attracts the absolute best talent from thousands of firms that pay millions to leaders who shape our global economy.

Take a look at Silicon Valley. I had friends moving there to share a 1 bed between 3 of them because of the opportunity prospects.
 
My first point is when people complain about unaffordable housing, the answer is usually "build more houses". This whole mess at Nine Elms is proof that you can build 15,000 properties but all it does is give foreign investors empty deposit boxes with which to launder their money.

My second point is for those people who say it's just "supply and demand". The Nine Elms mess shows that this "demand" is a false economy. The "demand" is investors wanting to buy up these homes to make a quick buck. Remove them from the equation and we would have 15,000 properties at much lower prices and more that would be genuinely affordably to people that wish to pay more for a prime London location.

I don't see how anyone can read that article and not admit what a nonsense our housing market is. Brushing it off as a London problem is ignorant, at best. These sorts of developments are happening all over the country and they're a prime example of why young people can't afford that 2 bedroom start home - because it's already been sold off plan to an investor or landlord.
Not letting Russian oligarchs buy everything sounds a lot like communism, my man.
 
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