House prices rose 7.3% this year, average now almost £250k

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I would like to see either a use it or lose it clause put in to land sold for development or a very high tax on unused land.

If your not going to use it productively then the council/government will sell it to someone that will

Awesome policy.
 
Talking of new builds, there was a small brown-fields site a mile or two away from us (I often find myself browsing the planning permission site to see how this town is changing).

Now, a developer submitted a plan for something like 12 houses on the site, many detached or semi-detached. Nice places with gardens. Nothing was built.

The developer then submitted a new plan for 24 houses, now mostly terraced. Gardens were smaller, as were the houses. Nothing was built.

A little while later the developer submitted a plan for 40 houses (this is a fairly small site btw), tiny houses, no gardens, not even any parking. Like the previous submissions, outline planning was granted.

But it really hammered home to me what house building is currently about. *Especially* now the central govt is actively overriding local planning authorities, with a "grant everything" approach now adopted (seriously, local planning auths might as well not exist any more. Everything is approved on appeal).

What it's all about now is putting the most buildings (I won't say homes or even houses) on a single site as possible. Quality of life is not a factor. Just cram them in.

NIMBYism is a major major issue in this country, I see it in my neighborhood all the time. EVERY good proposal is flooded with people who disagree, usually with absurd reasons (e.g. the build changing bird migration patterns that negatively affect the quality of life for local bird watchers who might not be able to travel to watch birds). Always the actual concern is that new local developments might affect their property prices and they may grow by 3% next year instead of 5%.

Now if you plan to develop something that's seriously worse than what's there, some of those people will change their minds and will agree, because it will make their houses look better in comparison.

I would centralise the planning permission system and let a qualified office assess plans on their own merits rather than some local office singing to the tunes of local homeowners who only care about their own property prices.
 
Something I find odd about new builds is they are cramped and overpriced, but people are queuing up to move in straight away.

Thanks to Help to Buy equity loan scheme. AKA let's put another 20% on top of property prices to increase builder margins and let the government guarantee that loan.
 
Indeed it's true new stuff is pretty nice, previous owners on mine seemed to have a slight sense of neglect though. Condition wasn't terrible but I thought they had some funny taste, everyone room having a "feature wall" among them. I don't mind a feature wall but it's not needed in every single room!

Some before and afters on mine if interested: https://imgur.com/a/sUv6y0p

I like low maintenance and low hassle, still got a bit of work to do on this one when the weather warms up a bit. All of the windows are absolutely filthy inside the frames and a couple of panes have blown so need replacing.

Biggest thing I think was it just seemed they didn't do much in the way of cleaning and keeping things nice. It's possible to put stuff into a house on day 1 and for it to be about as good as new 10 years down the line, just means a bit of maintenance/cleaning every now and then.

Edit - I am actually a bit sick of the roman blinds I got for the two rear windows in the lounge. They are manually operated and take forever to open/close, such that I rarely bother. I'm quite keen to look at getting some battery operated ones or something to replace them with that can be opened with a smart remote or a controller.

Very nicely done!
 
Reckon we have got to the end of this course time to shut down the thread.

So far you've posted 138 times in 113 days (more than once a day!) to share your wisdom with the rest of us. I'd say you're gonna miss this thread :D

Generally when people believe that way about a thread, they stop reading/contributing and move on. Your ever-presence here would suggest otherwise.

@Psycho Sonny has spoken. The matter is closed; there is no need for any further discourse. Mods, you may close the thread. You have Psycho Sonny's permission.

When Sonny says he thinks it's time to shut this down what he really means that after 138 posts, he's said all he has to say, and obviously, nobody else has anything to say so everyone else should also just shut up.

I said it in another thread a long time ago

People tend to rate and compare new builds to older homes around the number and severity of any snags.

I think they forget that the home that's now 20 years old likely had snags and faults when built but it has had 20 years to rectify all the snags.

A lot of it is survivorship bias. Old builds that continue to exist now are the ones that survived this long, and their issues were fixed. However, it means that buying them is quite safe, unlike new builds unless you know what to look for.
 
Get off your high horse. I'm in a half mill 600 sq/ft terrace and I am perfectly happy as a starter home.

Where do you live? :D

Half a mil for 600 sq/ft? So £833 per sq/ft? Only a handful fo London boroughs are more expensive ***removed***

I was generally planning for £600 per sq/ft for my starter home.
 
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The housing market is indeed nonsense but have you ever been to London? It is the capital of Europe. It is on par with Singapore, New York, Syndey. A financial and professional services power house. This attracts the absolute best talent from thousands of firms that pay millions to leaders who shape our global economy.

Using Singapore as an example, 80% of the population live in public housing in Singapore.

Over the decades, Singapore centralised the planning permission system and nationalised land that wasn't actively being developed, to build housing for their population. Government used that land alongside non-profit building to build public housing for the people. This not only increased quality of housing in Singapore, but property prices did not increase for about 20 years, and is now only 15% higher than what it was in 1995. Over the same period, UK prices increased by over 150%.

And the entire thing was determined to be cost-neutral to the tax payer over the decades. I'd be thrilled if we did the same thing but if I suggested we do the same, people call me a communist! :D

It's funny you mention Singapore, they have some of the strictest housing regulation going. You have to be a citizen to buy over there, for starters..

Foreigners can still buy in private housing Singapore (but not public), but they have to pay a 20% stamp duty. Citizen or foreigner, have to pay about an extra 12% stamp duty on second properties. Companies have to pay 25% stamp duty.

Beautiful.
 
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Doesn't Singapore also divide up the housing by ethnicity? I can understand it but never going to happen here, Singapore is also a small city, difficult to compare.

Yeah that's unfortunate but ethnic quotas in building isn't the reason they solved their housing crisis. Land nationalisation and non-profit building was the reason. Learning a thing or two from successful project doesn't mean we need to replicate the worst aspects of them.

lol@ people jumping on my Singapore comment. It is basically a police state. My point was the land is in demand. So much so they own it and decide who gets to use it. You think they are putting non-professional/service industry workers in the CBD?

To be honest, we shouldn't do that either. I know some people believe people have a right to live where they want on tax payer's dime in social housing, that's absurd.
 
I've seen shared ownership work, for what it is worth, and I know I am preaching into a black hole here, but for young professionals who want to setup camp in London and have a clear trajectory to six figures/being a HNWI.

This allows them to get the property they want and then progressively acquire the rented elements. Alternatively they wait and then get priced out the market entirely, or have to join forces/get married.

Should be a much longer-term plan though.

I don't dispute it drives prices up. A lot of the 2 beds where I am magically hit the 450k number when LISAs were announced.

The problem with shared ownership, at least in London, is that it's just a scam.
  • The property itself is overpriced by at least 20%.
  • The rented portion of it is 1-2% above the average rental yields of the neighbourhood, even after the overpriced valuation of the place.
  • You are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and insurance of the property, despite owning only a part of it. So you have all the costs of being a home owner, but none of the flexibilities or lack of responsibilities of being a renter.
  • When you want to staircase, the property is also overvalued. Sometimes, they don't even allow you to staircase.
  • Selling it is very hard, so not only you don't have flexibilities of renting, but you're even less flexible than a home owner who can just easily sell.
Like, if you're buying 25% of a shared ownership, you almost always can rent an identical property in the same area for less than the rented portion of that shared ownership.

It's a scam, on top of a scam, on top of a scam, on top of a scam. All so that some people can call themselves a homeowner in this country, when in fact, they're just paying overpriced rent and are responsible for all costs, while having none of the flexibilities.
 
Completely wrong.

If builders aren't currently building like you say so all the time because it's unprofitable.

How would they build at all if every home cost £50k and prices never rose at all?

To encourage development and building of more houses the prices need to go up.

What your suggesting is a paradox where you don't want house prices to increase yet you want more development. Unfortunately inflation requires prices to go up and to make building them worthwhile.

But I imagine that your solution is developers should be building houses at a loss because they own too much land. Yeah I'm sure that will be implemented tomorrow.

So if prices don't rise. Nothing gets built and then even those that can afford to buy cannot buy new homes.

So it doesn't just benefit investors at all. They actually help homes be built for buyers who will live there.

Could not be more wrong. The developed countries that have had the most building in recent decades (e.g. Japan, Singapore) are also the countries that have had the lowest level of price increases.

Major builders in the UK all have 25-40% profit margins. Your claim that it's unprofitable is just asinine.

I think what you actually meant is: "prices going up is in my interest, so they have to go up otherwise the world will end because I'm so special to the universe"

What people are rightly suggesting is to take that 25-40% profit margin and return it back to the people, by non-profit building which has proven to be very successful in every developed country that it's implemented.
 
A lot of people working in Tokyo are commuting from the suburbs, sometimes 1-2 hour commutes. The big difference is that your employer pays your train ticket.

We just need to get the trains back to sensible prices and then living outside London and commuting would be fine. More realistic to solve this issue. Re-nationalise railways of they can't be run profitably without ripping people off.

We do need to fix our train system but not instead of developing sane housing policies, but in addition to it.

Our trains are state-owned... by governments of other countries who then use the profits to subsidise the train tickets for their own people. And we let it happen.
 
Seems like the right thread for this - the ultimate landlord, 1billion+ in property + you get secretive insight/influence on potential laws that might affect your property empire... and funnily enough said laws tend to include special exemptions tailor-made just for your estate:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...laws-that-stop-his-tenants-buying-their-homes

I'm not anti-monarchy or anything but I do think that takes the mickey a bit. Essentially this estate is his trust fund, but if a tenant were to exercise the right to buy the freehold to a property it's still going to be a transaction at market value, he can always invest it elsewhere, shouldn't need his "trust fund" to have any special advantages to pay him an income or pass on a large asset/income to the next heir.

There should be a criminal investigation into this, clear case of corruption.
 
How can there be a criminal investigation into this? What laws do you supposed were broken here? You can't just declare stuff to be a crime because you don't like it.

During the investigation they actually gather evidence to see if any laws are broken, e.g. if MPs were threatened, bribed or somehow advantaged (personally, financially, career wise, etc) in order to do what was suggested, which are against the law. Those evidence are then handed over to the CPS to decide if they can being up charges or not. It could be that the investigation find out none of that happened and no laws were broken, or maybe the investigation ends up with evidence found and charges being filed by the CPS, but then the defendants will have their days in courts to determine if they're found guilty or not.

So I repeat, we need an investigation to determine if laws were broken. I think this was a very clear case of corruption, but it doesn't mean it was illegal, that's why we have a system to investigate and prosecute these things.
 
You think it was a clear case of corruption but it "doesn't mean it was illegal" ??? That makes no sense. If there was a clear case of corruption then how would it not be illegal?

I'm just baffled that you think there is clear corruption here at all when he's legally entitled to get advanced notice of and personally object/veto this legislation - why does he need to "bribe" any ministers etc... ? That is complete fantasy, as if (over a period of several decades) multiple ministers from different parties have been accepting bribes every time the Duke interferes in legislation.

It isn't "corruption" for someone to legally exercise powers they've actually got and are allowed to exercise in their own interest, that's literally what those powers are there for in the first place. If you don't like it then the solution is to remove the powers - don't allow the Duke to be notified of legislation affecting the dutchy and don't allow for any vetoing of it.

Changing legislation to advantage yourself is the definition of corruption. Now that could or could not have been legal depending on the exact details of what happened, which you and I don't know. Therefore, the need for an investigation. They may find nothing, or they may find something.

I agree, laws should also be changed, but not instead of investigating this, but in addition to it.
 
Saw this and thought of this thread - quite amusing the BBC spun it this way, anyway I'm sure you guys will appreciate the story and feel terribly sorry for the BTL landlord:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56055019?


What an awful situation they must be in now the government has..... extended a ban on evictions.

If they bought a property and can't afford to pay the mortgage, then they should sell the property or the lender should liquidate the asset to recover their loan. Simple as that.
 
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