House prices rose 7.3% this year, average now almost £250k

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Hypothetically speaking, yes. But she'd struggle to sell it with a tenant in situ, and current laws prevent her starting legal proceeding to evict the tenant.

As i said above, i've not got any sympathy for her, but unfortunately it's not easy for her to get out of her situation.

‍Who cares about her struggles to sell? She can reduce the price until she can sell. Or the foreclosure process will do that for her. She made the wrong investment and does not deserve to be bailed out, nor does she deserve any sympathy. Her entitlement that she believes she deserves to get universal credit when she's a BTL landlord is absurd.
 
Not necessarily, it's an illiquid asset and she has a tenant who isn't paying rent and who she can't currently evict... I mean arguably someone might buy it off her at a huge discount knowing there is a tenant they'll possibly need to spend thousands to evict at a later date and/or with some uncertainty re: how long protections might last/be extended and possible court backlogs etc.. but if that were to put her well into negative equity then it isn't necessarily a solution - she still owes the bank money... could end up bankrupt regardless depending on her personal situation.

So what? She borrowed money to make an investment and it didn't pay off, so she has to dig in and pay it back or declare bankruptcy.

This is exactly what she signed up for when she bought an investment on leverage. What do you think would happen if you borrow money to buy stocks and they go down?
 
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here that hasn't already been made in the post you're quoted? What are you saying "so what" in response to? If stocks go down you lose money... what do you think happens?

She doesn't necessarily have to declare bankruptcy yet - the point was re: selling the house at the current time might not change much w.r.t. bankrupcy.

My point was, people shouldn't be concerned that it's bad or difficult for her to get out of this situation, in the same way that we're not concerned when people took other gambles that don't pay off. If she can't afford the payments then she will need to sell the property at wherever value she can and if she goes into negative equity then so be it. She's not a victim.
 
She is being forced to keep the property though as she cannot evict the tenants which are refusing to pay rent.

That's the problem here. Dodgy tenants.

She can sell the property at its current market rate, given its current condition (which includes a tenant that doesn't pay rent). She's not forced to keep it any more than someone who bought stocks before they tanked are forced to keep them because they company stops paying dividend.

The problem is the entitlement of the landlord class who believe they deserve to have risk-free profits.
 
I'm not, I just fail to see the relevance to the quote or the questions directed at me given what I actually posted... thus questioning what you think you're querying in that post as opposed to the actual article itself.

I was just adding to what you said, rather than directing anything towards you. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Can't argue with stupid.

This is nothing like selling stocks that stopped paying a dividend.

It's got nothing to do with risk free investment either.

She cannot start proceedings to evict them which is going to cause her further financial damage if it weren't for the fact that the tenants rights are being overly protected by the government.

Reason being they would need to pick up the tab otherwise.

So the government are doing exactly what you want screwing over landlords to help tenants and their own budget.

Tenants rights are some of the worst in the UK compared to other European countries. The fact that you believe landlords are the victims shows how out of touch you are.

If you're a landlord sometimes tenants don't pay rent. Deal with it. Funny you want a helping hand from the government to fix your problems. Good old "socialism for me, capitalism for thee".

Must be a joyous occasion for you. Must have had to change your underwear several times already today.

What's with you and your obsession with these insults :D:D Are you 14?
 
Yeah we normally would deal with it.

By evicting them.

Problem is that cannot be done.

So how do you propose they deal with it?

You deal with it like any other business deals with changes in regulations. Sometimes they're not in your favour and you have to adapt. If you can't, you go out of business. Simple as that.

The government should be covering the rent

Hahahahahaha. Welfare for landlords? Government guaranteeing you receive rent? :p:p:p:p
 
Also these so called mortgage holidays aren't free. Your still being charged interest and now it's more because you aren't paying off any capital. So it's a win/win situation for the banks. So it's not exactly like the banks are losing any money in this game. They still get their interest and now they get even more than they normally would.

But you completely overlooked that. Honest mistake.

And people who don't pay rent still owe that money. They're eventually taken to court and the landlord recovers their money with Libor + 8% interest (unless they declare bankruptcy).

But you also completely overlooked that. Dishonest mistake.
 
In majority of cases they don't recover anything.

It's why these people don't pay the rent in the first place they have nothing you can take from them.

So you want the government to help you evict people who have literally nothing (who you willing signed a contract with) so that you get your investments stay in top shape, lol.

Landlord class entitlement at its best. Maybe you shouldn't have signed a contract with people who had nothing expecting them to pay you all their money every month.
 
Where did I say that?

I said they should either cover the rent or let them evict.

What they shouldn't do is stop evictions and not cover the rent which is what they are doing.

Try and keep up.

Landlords willingly let their property to their tenants, they should have thought of this and properly managed that risk, like all businesses have to do. They can always go through the legal process like everyone else who has a dispute with someone does and stop moaning about how unfair everything is.

Landlords should stop expecting the government to bail them out when their investments don't pay off.
 
Are you really this clueless?

That legal recourse has been taken away.

Please stop your making a fool of yourself now.

Regulations have changed and are not in your favour, tough luck. Deal with it. That happens in every industry and businesses deal with it.

If you're not happy with how profitable landlording this right now, do another business or get another job.
 
Yes they should have planned for a pandemic, a tenant who doesn’t pay and the government banning evictions.

Over a million businesses went bust due to the pandemic and changes in laws. And it wasn't their fault. **** happens. Landlords are not special breeds of human beings that deserve to be bailed out above everyone else.
 
I can see how well businesses dealt with the pandemic.

Debenhams, Topshop, Edinburgh woollen mill, Dorothy Perkins, etc all did great as did many others.

Local cafes, pubs and restaurants are doing great too.

This is great keep telling us more on how well hey dealt with this scenario.

I'm sure all the people out of jobs are much happier now.

Well the day the landlord employs as many people as those businesses do, we can talk about bailing their employees out :p
 
Not asking for a bail out just the freedom to evict non paying tenants.

Does the business you work for sell on credit? How would they do if I say bought a lot of stuff on credit refused to pay and the government stepped in and said you can't do anything about it because Covid?

Deal with it.

Yeah, people refuse to pay and we'd have to sue them. We don't expect the government to pay their bills like you do.

You can't get get whatever is left back either.
How about you deal with house prices going up and stop whinging like a woman on here? Prices went up by £100k who cares, deal with it.

Don't like rising house prices?

Deal with it.

Much sexism, lol.

The only one whining here is you, about how unfair the rules are to poor landlords and that the government doesn't just pay you rent.

As for house prices, yes, I don't expect the government to buy me a house, in the same way that you're expecting the government to pay you rent.
 
Bit you do expect the government to buy you a house.

You want them to tax landlords into the ground. To the point they give you the house for nothing.

You have whined about taxes and houses being too expensive throughout the whole thread.

Why can't you deal with it?

You dodge and deflect like a pro. This is about entitled attitude of landlords such as yourself who demand risk-free government-guaranteed return on your investments at the expense of everyone else.
 
You have a really bitter tone and tied with so many assumptions. Hasnt this thread ran its course now? You cant afford a house and its everyone elses faults, we get it

It's always funny people who keep saying a topic has run its course are always the first ones to post there and are among the top 10 posters, Sonny said the same thing. Simplest thing to do when you believe a topic has run its course is to stop giving it your time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For some reason, neither of you can stay away :D:D:D
 
Why didn't she take out insurance on her tenants not paying rent?

These are exceptional times and the embargo on evictions will be ending soon.

Actually she made no indication that she even had a tenant. She was flat out asking for government bailouts.

I haven't been here for weeks. Was amazed you two are still going to be honest. I find your anger and rage interesting

Honestly I'm amazed at that myself. I never expected this thread to go almost 80 pages. But I love Sonny so I'll be here as long as he is :D
 
This thread did die out.

But then he posted another thread on the same topic.

So the mods locked that one and told him to use the one he had already made.

If you look at his thread creation history it's all about whining about house prices.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/foru...ds-but-billions-for-homebuyers-sure.18903546/

Also I wonder what his views are on the cost of bitcoin skyrocketing

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/which-psu-for-4xr2-290-mining.18588703/

A crypto miner. So it's okay for him to profit off of others on crypto but not okay for landlords. After all with crypto you are expecting others to pay more for it than what you did.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/foru...crease-when-earnings-have-decreased.18900161/

How about whinging about taxes and pensions going up? Pensions are ridiculously low I couldn't believe how low they were so I'm all for them getting a rise tbh.

He only cares about himself. It's okay when it suits his agenda but when it doesn't then it must be taxed or banned.

People don't live in bitcoin or stocks, lol. I can't believe you seriously compared bitcoin to housing, lol.

Your obsession with me is troubling, you went through all of my activities to dig up info on me just to reply to a post, lmao. You're linking to threads I made in 2014, that was 7 years ago.

Like seriously, this obsession is unhealthy and I genuinely worry for you now. I hope you get the help you need my friend.
 
He has a point. You said you think it’s immoral to profit off others.

I didn't, I said I find certain types of profits off others to be unethical. Anyone who does any job profits off others and most of those are ethical, some are not. I'm sure you also agree. We may disagree on what is or isn't among the unethical ones, but please don't pretend like I said all profit is immoral, lol.

However, what I may or may not have said weeks or months ago is not really relevant except to those obsessed with me, for whatever reason. I'm shocked what I may or may not have said weeks or months ago is of any interest to anyone right now.

Do you want to do what Sonny did and dig up through all my posts since 6 Oct 2009 that I joined OcUK? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe you'll find something too!
 
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