How and why the hell do people defend the actions of travellers?

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I say this because about 50 caravans parked up on the local recreation ground two days back.

In that time they crapped everywhere, tried to start fights with the locals, enticed someone's dog near to theirs so they could get them to fight, stole various items and did various other disreputable things such as bombing around the recreation ground (which is bordered by houses) on quad bikes in the small hours.

Now, I have nothing against travellers per se or any legitimate group of people doing what they do and behaving and respecting others whilst they do it, but to cause the damage they do along with committing various acts of crime, be it petty our more serious, the mess they leave, the outright disrespect many of them seem to have for others who are merely trying to walk on public ground and numerous other things, I can only conclude that this modern 'breed' are often correctly labelled as social scum.

They were the bane of parts of my childhood when they effectively invaded mine and my mates play areas and now from a homeowner's point of view they pose a threat to my property that somehow is seen by some as something that should be tolerated.

There's a division as this last effort at invading the public recreation ground at the end of my road has caused a mini uproar of people against those who have bad-mouthed, or simply posted about the travellers antics online. However, these pro-traveller people are either related to the travelling community, or are bleeding-heart liberaltards of the breed most of us know and love spouting words such as 'intolerance' or 'racism' because they seem to think it makes them popular.

What's your take on this OcUK, why is such behaviour tolerated?
 
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Because as you so aptly put it, there are always some liberaltards (my new favourite word mash) bleeding hearts. They have this dumb notion it somehow makes them a better person.
 
I wouldn't tolerate it. But I can understand why people tend to not do anything. They're often violent even when asked something politely.
 
I blame Hitler.

Sorry to invoke Godwin so early in the thread but basically ever since the persecution of the Jews we've become so scared pf producing another Adolf we've decided (or rather Guardian readers have) that having a pop at any group of people that could be considered a "community" is intrinsically a bad thing and only a step away from advocating mass genocide.

This now means if you are in a minority group, you can basically do what the hell you want because any criticism can be answered with the race card (even though Gypsies aren't a race but try telling that to Shami Chakrabarti) or claims of 'persecution'.
 
depends what you're refering to

in terms of laws needed to move them on when camped illegally I'd say we probably do need tougher laws so they can be evicted quickly - I'm certainly not in favour of these people camping illegally and think its silly to defend them where they do this

in terms of trying to generalise about travelers in the UK... well replace travelers with 'Jamacans' say.. I'm not sure making negative generalisations about entire groups is particularly constructive these days - saying travelers cause crime is like saying jamacans in the uk are violent and drug dealers... while it might have been observed on lots of occasions its not something you can say about the group as a whole.
 
What's got my back up more than anything is that one of my 'friends' on facebook is trying to start a mini anti 'racism' against travellers movement with people in my town (namely to do with the tarring them all with the same brush and calling them ******). What annoys me even further is that said friend lives nowhere near to where they camp when they arrive (in the next major town infact) and was brought up in an area where they never saw a do-as-you-likey in the flesh, let alone a full-on invasion.

I'm not racist BTW, just cannot stand the '*****' behaviour of these people and the trouble they cause.
 
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Fortunately I've never had to deal with rough travellers like the ones described in the OP. We get some in this area the same time each year as they set-up a fairground and I haven't really got a bad word to say about them. They're very clean and not remotely anti-social. However I've heard a lot of horror stories and the lack of intervention, seemingly because they're a minority group, is pretty astounding and PC. I think estenbanrey makes a valid point about the tip-toeing that happens around tackling anti-social behaviour perpetrated by people who affiliate with a particular minority group.
 
I have to deal with travellers, on the last few occasions I was forced to open up toilet blocks for them, public toilets in other words, on the first occasion they set fire to it, on the second they would rather **** and crap outside the block then use the bog. They are worse then animals.
 
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Gypsies aren't a race but try telling that to Shami Chakrabarti) or claims of 'persecution'.
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Irish Travellers as per the OP and the majority of what people refer to as Gypsies in the UK are not Romani Gypsies, who are a distinct recognised ethnic group.

Romani and their related groups (not Irish/Scottish travellers) have historically been subjected to severe persecution and still do to this day, including but not limited to the holocaust during WWII where estimates ranging between 500,000 and 1.5m Romani Gypsies were killed.

Travellers (not Romani) are a bane to many local peoples lives and it is not surprising that they are unwelcome in many parts of Britain given their behaviour when they do settle, and it is frustrating when the authorities pander to their illegal occupation of land and the criminal activities that often accompany them on these sites. On the flip-side there are many Traveller Communities that are sociable and law abiding, causing little or no issues for the local populations.....
 
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Irish Travellers as per the OP and the majority of what people refer to as Gypsies in the UK are not Romani Gypsies, who are a distinct recognised ethnic group.

Romani and their related groups (not Irish/Scottish travellers) have historically been subjected to severe persecution and still do to this day, including but not limited to the holocaust during WWII where estimates ranging between 500,000 and 1.5m Romani Gypsies were killed.

Travellers (not Romani) are a bane to many peoples lives and it is not surprising that they are unwelcome in many parts of Britain given their behaviour when they do settle.
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Thanks for telling me something I already knew but I think you've missed the gist of what I was saying.
 
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