How and why the hell do people defend the actions of travellers?

[Collider]

It's probably cheaper than locking them up or destroying property and littering.

I don't think it stops those things, I've posted before about travellers who camped illegally on a friend's land and left a disgusting mess. There were so called sites they could go to about 40 miles away and its not as if they don't have transport.

Giving them a free place to live really means huge disruption and a rise in crime for people who live in the area and a drain on the tax payer. And they would still commit crime and be locked up.

 

[estebanrey]

This is a truly idiotic post.

Persecution of gypsies in Europe goes back for many many centuries, since long before Hitler. Nazism changed nothing in this regard, really. Least of all some sort of Guardian-reading liberal conspiracy. If anything, it's because of the promotion of 'multiculturalism' and attitudes of tolerance and understanding - nothing to do with the Holocaust!

Yet another person who's missed the point of the post they've quoted.

What I said has nothing to do with the persecution of Gypsies by Hitler or anyone else. It's about being scared to critisise ANY group of people due to the fear of being likened to Hitler.

 

[RomanNose]

I don't think it stops those things, I've posted before about travellers who camped illegally on a friend's land and left a disgusting mess. There were so called sites they could go to about 40 miles away and its not as if they don't have transport.

Giving them a free place to live really means huge disruption and a rise in crime for people who live in the area and a drain on the tax payer. And they would still commit crime and be locked up.

Yeah they may still commit crime but at least the police don't need to be called everyday to move them to another site.
There will always be some that don't care if there are permanent sites though.

 

[dowie]

being a traveller is a way of life not a bleeding ethnic group and as soon as these idiots realise that its just a life choice of being (insert choice of phrase here) the better

As far as ethnic group is concerned someone's way of life (in addition to culture, heritage etc..) is a big factor

ethnic group != race

 

[danza]

Just found that the group as per my OP removed the exhaust of the minibus from the nearby Age Concern (or whatever it's called today), removed the catalytic converter and threw the remaining exhaust into the nearby pond.

On the plus side, some of the residents (who I assume live in the bordering houses to the affected rec. ground) got together and bagged up all the crap they left behind. Massive props to them.

The bunch of didicoys have moved on to the neighbouring town about 10 minutes down the road. Hopefully they don't hit (and by hit I mean totally and utterly ransack) the day centre for the blind like they did the last time they went there.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Can't beat travellers. I mean, who doesn't love having large pieces of land turned into derelict wastes? Rusty gas bottles and smashed bits of fibreglass add a certain character to an area.
And as for all that metal piping/cabling/anything that isn't tied down, that goes missing? We probably didn't need it anyway.

 

[dowie]

It's about being scared to critisise ANY group of people due to the fear of being likened to Hitler.

But in this context criticising ANY ethnic group is a bit silly... while there might be lots of people worthy of criticism within an ethnic group, criticising the group as a whole is not constructive at all.

 

[413x]

Scum, nothing more to say

 

[Spenty]

A few weeks back some of them set up at the end of this long unused road I go along on my bike route. Instead of turning around I thought **** it I'll pass through, soon as I do some big bloke tells me to **** off, then his little rat of a dog takes a liking to me and starts running alongside my bike yapping away trying to bite my legs. I started to laugh and this seemed to infuriate both the bloke and the dog even more so. I didn't let it stop me though and I carried on doing it everyday. If he was going to do something to me he'd of done it the first time and it would look very bad on their community if he kicked some passerby in for no reason whatsoever.

 

[Collider]

Just found that the group as per my OP removed the exhaust of the minibus from the nearby Age Concern (or whatever it's called today), removed the catalytic converter and threw the remaining exhaust into the nearby pond.

On the plus side, some of the residents (who I assume live in the bordering houses to the affected rec. ground) got together and bagged up all the crap they left behind. Massive props to them.

The bunch of didicoys have moved on to the neighbouring town about 10 minutes down the road. Hopefully they don't hit (and by hit I mean totally and utterly ransack) the day centre for the blind like they did the last time they went there.

Sums them up, just rotten to the core without a thought for anyone else.

Nice to hear the residents pulling together though they shouldn't have to at least there are decent people out there.

 

[Castiel]

But you've not clarified but veered off onto a different subject. I was talking about 'race' you are talking about 'ethnic groups' which isn't the same thing.

People who live in the Basque region of Spain for example could be described as a separate 'ethnic group' to other Spaniards but they aren't a different 'race'.

Race is biological label, ethnicity is generally more a cultural label.

The distinction between Race and Ethnicity is not that clearcut, for example the Roma have specific genetic markers and common genetic origins inherent in their ethnicity that make them distinct from other Europeans and therefore they are different from Irish Travellers in the criteria in which they each have Legal Ethnic recognition as their Ethnicity is not simply one of a shared Cultural Connection, but also one of distinct genetic and linguistic common origins.... the clarification was intended to make that distinction that despite your use of Minority Group (which implies a racial rather than a cultural distinction) their are inherent differences between Travellers and Gypsies and to clarify the persecution that they have been are still are subject to, something that your post was rather ambiguous about.

Your point about society being afraid to criticise such groups because they may be labelled racists/bigots was not what I was clarifying or refering to, I did not miss the point you were making nor did I reference it.....I just thought the reference to gypsies and ethnicity needed clarification due to the ambiguous wording....hence the quote of the part of your post I was refering to in that clarification.

You said yourself that what I said was something you knew already so it isn't really worth debating further.

 

[nelviss]

well the hunt sabs are done for now that thay think that thay have won, so the same protesting middle classe knobs need somthing to make them think their doing anything but being parsites on their own familys

 

[Collider]

well the hunt sabs are done for now that thay think that thay have won, so the same protesting middle classe knobs need somthing to make them think their doing anything but being parsites on their own familys

If only hunt saboteurs could be mobilised you are right there would be more sites for travellers.

Or you may be drunk.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

Can't we just round them all up and send them back?

 

[buchtis]

Everytime i've seen people defending these pieces of trash it tends to be the following people:

1) Single females in their 50's/60's with no kids, no husband/marriage, own 30 cats (and are basically Billy no mate loners) and cry over human rights.

2) Clinically insane people.

 

[Kutter]

its about time the gov told the irish travellers to do their travelling and substandard tarmacing back in Ireland.

 

[atpbx]

Thing I have against this is... Why the heck should we have to do that? We'll probably have to clean up after them aswell! All for people who refuse to pay any tax :/

The irony of this is, why would travellers want a permanent site?

What they actually want is a life of doing **** all, paying no taxes, stealing and living in filth for free.

I am dumbstruck that the solution to "travellers" is to to give them a permanent site it kind of defeats the point.

It why they kick up such a fuss when they are offered housing, it means they have the one thing they hate the most, a fixed address, not because it is against their ancient traveling ways, but because the HMRC, council and police have some way of finding them.

 

[Name]

Hopefully they don't hit (and by hit I mean totally and utterly ransack) the day centre for the blind like they did the last time they went there.

That is disgusting. Had some travellers in a small lay by a few minutes walk from our house, feces on the floor, old/used clothes/underwear, rotting food, rubbish just laying around on the floor.

Think they got moved on in the end but they were there for months just ruining the local scenery

I understand the concept of traveling, but is there any need to be so bad at it ?

 

[boxman2000]

Is "gypsy" racist now?

No, but gyppo is

 

[krooton]

But you've not clarified but veered off onto a different subject. I was talking about 'race' you are talking about 'ethnic groups' which isn't the same thing.

People who live in the Basque region of Spain for example could be described as a separate 'ethnic group' to other Spaniards but they aren't a different 'race'.

Race is biological label, ethnicity is generally more a cultural label.

So given that being traveller is a lifestyle choice and based on heritage and culture, does that mean that 3rd generation goths in the future would become an ethnicity?

The thing is that everyone isn't saying they hate all travellers, just the ones who do all the horrid things, which seems to be the majority. As a result of that, it's understandble that people would be cautious of any traveller in case they are the horrid ones, even if it is essentially profiling.