How do people 'not work'?

I've been on the dole twice. First time was because I've finished university and was looking for my first job. Second time was because I was made redundant, so it was through no choice of my own.

Btw, how come people here are stating specific amounts for housing benefit like £35/week? To me, housing benefit simply cancelled out my council tax. I don't even see the amount go out of my bank and then going back in - it completely cancelled out. When I got back into work, I had to pay 2x the usual council tax amount for 2 months then it was back to normal.
 
I found on JSA,

Worst is sitting around, I played odd bit of PC games but mostly banned them (through choice of my own). Used to spend all/most of the time beasting guitar.

But people who sit around on JSA with no goal or aim... horrendous I couldn't imagine doing it.

I spent a bit of time on it years ago.

Was applying for jobs nearly everyday and tried to get out and about as much as possible, helping parents/friends etc Not easy with no cash though, I remember counting out the coppers so I could eat:D

Got off it by getting a casual job delivering hire cars, then eventually landed an decent job
 
I think people get institutionalised, as said it's their job to live of welfare. I was on JSA for a few months after losing job and although you get housing benefit and council tax your JSA doesn't stretch far. No money for clothes, holidays, car, social etc... I guess most people that live of welfare perm have too many issues and can't cope in the working world.
 
Jeremy Kyle is why people dont work

Avoiding that **** is the perfect reason to get a job!
I spent a few months on JSA after uni and was probably on the verge of depression by the end of it due to the sheer boredom.
 
My other half gave up work because on return from maternity leave they'd change the shifts around.
If she wanted to continue her 16 hour week the rotation had changed from a 3 week rota of thu/fri, fri/sat, fri/sun 8 hrs a day, to a 5 week rota of 4 days a week, 4 hrs a day and the 5 week rota covered all 7 days.

Not only would we have to put both kids into full time nursery but we'd of massivley increased fuel costs, it just wasn't cost effective, so now she stays at home and we struggle on with my meagre wages and whatever benefits we can get instead.
 
I personally get bored even on leave from work if i have nothing planned that day. Like yesterday I couldn't make it to work and took a day of annual leave and at 8am i was thinking...WTF am I going to do today to make it worthwhile...

Sitting at home day after day would drive me nuts.
 
I'm not asking because I want to, more out of intrique.

My parents split up and I was forced to move out, begin working in order to own my own place. No complaints whatsoever. Yet, even at 24, I know people not working - through benefits, sponging off parents etc.

I was wondering how else people do this, and if anyone has any stories on this?

Want a story of why people don't want to work? Why don't you read this heart breaking tale.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5004431/Family-who-are-too-fat-to-work-say-22000-worth-of-benefits-is-not-enough.html

For me I would get board staying at home all the time and I want money to go out do things like take the g/f away for a few days abroad, eat out, bowling not to mention essential things like paying off my mortgage.
 
2 cases to present to the panel

Case 1: A 50 yr old woman, who has been unable to work for the last 20+ years due to a degenerative disease which grinds her bones way - she has lost about 6 inches off her height - causing acute pain in her joints which can leave her immobilized for days at a time. She used to work and up until her 2nd child was 6yrs old.

She has never claimed off the sick, as (in her own words) "There are people out there worse off then me. At least I can still walk. Also I don't want to take the **** out of the system" despite the fact that both her grown up children, friends and family members have all told her over the years that she is defiantly entitled to more.

Last year she was diagnosed with cancer of the blood (I forget the name) so she has to take chemotherapy tablets.

She gets £185 (approx) every 2 weeks, rent and council tax are also paid, but that's it. She soon to lose £14 out of her money (every 2 weeks) as the house she lives in with her daughter has a spare room - which is used 1-2 nights a week by her grandchild - and the government deem that an unnecessary extra space and there is also the possibility that the council tax benefit will be stopped or reduced also (due to council cuts in the local council).

Now she is also having to go to "Back to work" interviews with the benefits people, to try and assess if she can work. She her self has said that she would love to work, but with her bone condition and the chemo tablets she can't always be relayed up on to attend a job position. The assessors have so far said that there is no way that they could put her in a job with all her conditions (which have all been verified and confirmed by doctors, consultants and medical professionals over the years) but they have to follow the process through

Oh and FYI, even though she has a form of cancer, the government do not deem her form and the treatment (tables) that she has to take as 'bad enough' to warrant her going 'on the sick' permanently - she is basically not ill enough, which I think is disgusting

Case 2: A 35 yr old woman. She has 5 children, aged from 2 - 15 years old. Each child has a different father. She lives in a 4 bedroom council house (paid for) with all her children, plus her current partner and his child (6 years). She is entitled to child benefit for each of her children which amounts to approx £100 every 2 weeks (£20 per child). She gets her own benefits as she is on the "sick" (apparently, but I don't know what is wrong with her) which has brought her other bonuses.

She takes all the kids to Florida every year, has sky and flat screen tv's. And she has never worked a day in her life. The house is a bomb site and the kids run riot

This is what is wrong with the benefits system. It is too easy to mess with it and the people who should actually be helped out, have to jump through 100's of hoops before they will even be listened too and when they are finally getting somewhere it take for ever to get anything resolved.

The benefits system is a joke, it should never be better to be on JSA or what ever then it is working...never

I agree with you but what not clear is the mother probably won't rely on JSA allowance because she will have kids under a certain age and whilst this age has been pushed down in recent years, it just results in a lot of these mothers having another kid.

You then have the long term problem with such people having kids they didn't really want other than to maintain a lifestyle. Its why I typically support an end to child related benefits as it's really a misguided benefit in my opinion.

People scream "oh think of the children" and you can't really make a point against them, but I believe the Scandinavians have state sponsored child care, which I'd much prefer to giving mothers money for spitting them out.
 
Question is... Are you now paying for these in the present/future? ;)

Thats really none of your business mate though on that point lets assume he's legitimately sick because theres no way for us to know any better. Are you going to begrudge someone that cannot work because of illness the level of entertainments a typical family can and often does have?

My sister was in a car crash when she was like 2 days old. She nearly died and has been left permanently learning impaired due to brain damage. Shes about 18 now and whilst she's doing a lot better than the doctors said she would, she can barely be trusted to cross the road by herself. Shes on the top rate of DLA but in reality it's not even that much. Would you suggest she shouldn't have a decent life because she can and never will be able to work for it herself?

There are people who take the **** out of the system but assuming everyone involved in it is just a lazy so and so is folly, and wanting legitimate cases to go without a decent life lacks a lot of empathy.




On topic, I'd love not to work personally. Being that I want a house, car, toys and to live some experiences, I'm afraid I need money and I'm not really willing to stick my hand out and take it from everyone else. Thats not to say theres any shame in claiming, I'd do it if I were sick or desperate, but I won't do it for any other reason really. I do work to live though, so I'd totally not work if I won the lottery for example. :)
 
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I know this is GD but come o....n mobility cars and xboxes etc. These are people who are clearly cheating the system this is not a reason to cut social welfare.

Sadly I don't have an answer to that problem either as we can't treat everyone the same (or perhaps we should ;) )
 
Frankly I dont know how they do it from a moral point of view and just accept it as their plan going forward, I understand there are some who genuinely have trouble finding a job but there's no reason any able bodied person should be out of work for more than 12 months at a time, there are jobs out there but people are picky about taking the undesirable ones or would rather sponge if the pay is comparable

If it were my choice, people who sit on benefits and are able bodied would be put into unpaid work camps or automatic community service, starting with office work, and getting steadily worse until they are doing the most vile jobs there are. They would be able to leave at any point by simply getting a paid job, but they wouldn't be getting a free ride and they would be getting work experience. And if they returned to benefits within a specific period they go straight back into the system rather than getting the 12 month slack period

I'm fairly sure if this was the solution many of them wouldn't be quite so picky about what jobs they do/don't take and the work could include things that benefit society as a whole like cleaning graffiti, improving town centers and parks etc

And if the lazy scrotes don't show up, stop their benefits, let them freakin starve!
 
I know this is GD but come o....n mobility cars and xboxes etc. These are people who are clearly cheating the system this is not a reason to cut social welfare.

Sadly I don't have an answer to that problem either as we can't treat everyone the same (or perhaps we should ;) )

You have to be pretty disabled to get a mobility car these days, afaik. My aforementioned sister used to get them but doesn't anymore because she's considered mobile, despite the fact the original point wasn't that she could walk and was more to do with the fact she might walk in front of a car on the way to the store.

She doesn't have an xbox, though she has a PC and watches crap on youtube. She's envious of people who can go out there and live there life whilst shes stuck in a house unless she has someone able to take her somewhere. She basically spends most of her time bored, though I do my best to provider her with crap like glee to keep her entertained. She has people who come take her out on a regular basis but it's never enough.

Would you begrudge her an xbox if she wanted one?

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If it were my choice, people who sit on benefits and are able bodied would be put into unpaid work camps or automatic community service, starting with office work, and getting steadily worse until they are doing the most vile jobs there are. They would be able to leave at any point by simply getting a paid job, but they wouldn't be getting a free ride and they would be getting work experience. And if they returned to benefits within a specific period they go straight back into the system rather than getting the 12 month slack period

So you want to put my able bodied but mentally handicapped sister into an unpaid work camp / community service / office based environment? What are you going to do when she can't do the work? Are you going to pay someone to look after her to make sure she doesn't get herself killed in the commute?

Listen, I'm not stupid enough to actually think you guys are actually talking about legitimate cases like my sis, but you all need to really consider what you're saying, because if I were to take what you're actually saying instead of inferring what you actually mean, I'd be kinda outraged. :p
 
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I am currently "wasting" holidays as I lose them in April.

Im bored :(

How people live without a job is beyond me I would be suicidal.
 
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