How do you deal with these nutters?

Rojin said:
If you can't communicate over distance by shouting and not being rude, that is an issue you have. The rest of us can do it perfectly easily.
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If I'm standing in public and someone starts shouting at me from a distance, when there is no apparent reason why they can't simply walk over to me, I'm hardly likely to think "What a polite and reasonable person. I'm going to pay them full attention and address their concerns".

Normal people shout when there is no alternative, or if there's some sort of safety issue. Normal people don't resolve conflicts by shouting.
 
growse said:
If I'm standing in public and someone starts shouting at me from a distance, when there is no apparent reason why they can't simply walk over to me, I'm hardly likely to think "What a polite and reasonable person. I'm going to pay them full attention and address their concerns".

Normal people shout when there is no alternative, or if there's some sort of safety issue. Normal people don't resolve conflicts by shouting.
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Or perhaps you open the window to communicate immediately rather than lose sight of the individual whilst you make your way out to the street. Of course that might even not be an option if you have small children in the house, but hey if you've already made your mind up who is wrong and right I guess it doesn't matter?
 
Rojin said:
There is zero evidence of any rudeness, that was added by D.P.
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The evidence is the person shouted, and the fact that no where has it been said the person was polite and calm. Everyone is agreement that if someone is polite and civil then you can discuss their concerns with them and likely comply to any requests in a courteous manner.
This has been said continuously throughout the entity of this thread but some people like you seem to ignore the fact.

If you want a debate about how to handle people who are polite, calm and collected then it is probably best to start a new thread to keep things separate.
 
growse said:
No, just those who like taking pictures of things.

I like taking pictures of things. You're saying that if I happened to take a picture of your house (who knows why, maybe I like it, maybe I'm doing some architectural research, maybe I'm taking a picture of something else and your house is in the background), then I'm a creep.
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Stop twisting what I say. To clarify. I have no problem whatsoever with people taking pictures. Hell, if I was fortunate enough to live in a property worthy of being photographed I wouldn't even object to you tapping on the door and asking my permission.

If you were stood outside my house taking pictures I wouldnt like it. I'm sorry about that but it's how I feel.
 
Rojin said:
If you can't communicate over distance by shouting and not being rude, that is an issue you have. The rest of us can do it perfectly easily.
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If you can't communicate over a distance without shouting, and there was no extraneous noise, the that would be a problem you have no?

I can talk to someone 50m easily without the need to shout.
 
D.P. said:
If you can't communicate over a distance without shouting, and there was no extraneous noise, the that would be a problem you have no?

I can talk to someone 50m easily without the need to shout.
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What utter rubbish.
 
Rojin said:
Or perhaps you open the window to communicate immediately rather than lose sight of the individual whilst you make your way out to the street. Of course that might even not be an option if you have small children in the house, but hey if you've already made your mind up who is wrong and right I guess it doesn't matter?
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You could open the window and not shout, or you could go outside and try to talk politely. If the photographer has already left by the time you are outside then the problem has been solved without you doing anything and no one needs to fuss anymore.
 
D.P. said:
The evidence is the person shouted, and the fact that no where has it been said the person was polite and calm. Everyone is agreement that if someone is polite and civil then you can discuss their concerns with them and likely comply to any requests in a courteous manner.
This has been said continuously throughout the entity of this thread but some people like you seem to ignore the fact.

If you want a debate about how to handle people who are polite, calm and collected then it is probably best to start a new thread to keep things separate.
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What I object to is you inventing rudeness and hurling abuse in order to sensationalise what is ultimately a trivial matter. Your argument of being civil is fine, I have no problem with that. However you do not even know that it is applicable, and you fail to grasp that simple fact.
 
Rojin said:
What utter rubbish.
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You are also missing this information from the OP:
It was more the fact that the guy seemed to be a paranoid nutter. I was taking a photo of the landscape opposite the house, then turned round to take some photos of the house, and instantly he's out the window shouting, so he must have been spying on me like a hawk.
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That is what led me to believe the guy was being rude.
If the person simply had a slightly stronger intonation in order to be heard (but not shouting) and said something along the lines of "Please sir, can you stop photographing my house because it is upsetting the wife, we were burgled last year you see" then he would have got an immediate apology and I would have walked on.
 
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Domo said:
Stop twisting what I say. To clarify. I have no problem whatsoever with people taking pictures. Hell, if I was fortunate enough to live in a property worthy of being photographed I wouldn't even object to you tapping on the door and asking my permission.

If you were stood outside my house taking pictures I wouldnt like it. I'm sorry about that but it's how I feel.
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I completely understand if you wouldn't feel comfortable. And if I were taking pictures of your house, making you uncomfortable, and you came and had a conversation with me about it, I'd listen to your concerns and in all probability stop and delete the photos. If you lean out a window and shout at me, I'd probably ignore you.

This isn't about photography, this is about conflict resolution. If you want someone to do something, shouting at them probably isn't the most effective way of achieving that.

Rojin said:
Or perhaps you open the window to communicate immediately rather than lose sight of the individual whilst you make your way out to the street. Of course that might even not be an option if you have small children in the house, but hey if you've already made your mind up who is wrong and right I guess it doesn't matter?
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If 'not losing sight of the individual' trumps 'civilised discourse' over the issue of a public photograph, then someone's priorities are out of whack. Equally, if I were minding small children, I wouldn't be overly concerned about what people are doing in the street outside my house (as long as it's not directly disrupting me, like a riot or something). But hey, that's just me.
 
Rojin said:
What I object to is you inventing rudeness and hurling abuse in order to sensationalise what is ultimately a trivial matter. Your argument of being civil is fine, I have no problem with that. However you do not even know that it is applicable, and you fail to grasp that simple fact.
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The debate had moved on to a general discussion of "paranoid nutters" . The specific instance in the OP was just one point of discussion, not the main theme of the thread. The title reads "these nutters" in plural, and the OP is not asking for advice about a specific instance but general instances.
 
growse said:
I completely understand if you wouldn't feel comfortable. And if I were taking pictures of your house, making you uncomfortable, and you came and had a conversation with me about it, I'd listen to your concerns and in all probability stop and delete the photos. If you lean out a window and shout at me, I'd probably ignore you.

This isn't about photography, this is about conflict resolution. If you want someone to do something, shouting at them probably isn't the most effective way of achieving that.



If 'not losing sight of the individual' trumps 'civilised discourse' over the issue of a public photograph, then someone's priorities are out of whack. Equally, if I were minding small children, I wouldn't be overly concerned about what people are doing in the street outside my house. But hey, that's just me.
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I have people skills thank you, I wouldn't have had any issue having discourse with the house occupant and explaining my intentions. At no point would I find myself having to describe them as a paranoid nutter.

Yeah having someone taking pictures of your house when you have small children is nothing to worry about at all. Don't forget, the occupant doesn't know that scenic shots are being taken, all the see is someone with a camera.
 
D.P. said:
The debate had moved on to a general discussion of "paranoid nutters" . The specific instance in the OP was just one point of discussion, not the main theme of the thread. The title reads "these nutters" in plural, and the OP is not asking for advice about a specific instance but general instances.
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That is the OP's take on things.
 
growse said:
I completely understand if you wouldn't feel comfortable. And if I were taking pictures of your house, making you uncomfortable, and you came and had a conversation with me about it, I'd listen to your concerns and in all probability stop and delete the photos. If you lean out a window and shout at me, I'd probably ignore you.

This isn't about photography, this is about conflict resolution. If you want someone to do something, shouting at them probably isn't the most effective way of achieving that.



If 'not losing sight of the individual' trumps 'civilised discourse' over the issue of a public photograph, then someone's priorities are out of whack. Equally, if I were minding small children, I wouldn't be overly concerned about what people are doing in the street outside my house (as long as it's not directly disrupting me, like a riot or something). But hey, that's just me.
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Spot on really.
 
D.P. said:
You are also missing this information from the OP:


That is what led me to believe the guy was being rude.
If the person simply had a slightly stronger intonation in order to be heard (but not shouting) and said something along the lines of "Please sir, can you stop photographing my house because it is upsetting the wife, we were burgled last year you see" then he would have got an immediate apology and I would have walked on.
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No, you talking to someone 50m away without raising your voice is utter rubbish.
 
Rojin said:
Yeah having someone taking pictures of your house when you have small children is nothing to worry about at all. Don't forget, the occupant doesn't know that scenic shots are being taken, all the see is someone with a camera.
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If someone's default initial reaction to someone taking a picture is to shout at them, then something is very wrong somewhere.
 
If I lived on Beverly hills I'd understand, but a 1960 semi just like every other on the street I would consider, weird and suspicious.
 
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