How Good is an iMac?

Just because something has a larger footprint does not mean it runs slower.

Not getting into the debate or anything, but adding some actual information instead of opinion, XP on my macbook via bootcamp is far faster and nippier than OSX is.......but that should be quite obvious it being a 5 year old OS vs a relatively new one, machine is macbook 2ghz core duo, 2gb ram.
 
Rule of thumb. Get the best iMac you can afford. It is a good investment as Apple computers tend to on average have a longer usable life than Windows (down to OS X not really being a gaming platform and the fact that OS X runs better on older hadrware than Windows)

But not with photos!!! Unfortunately the world of photography doesn't move at the same pace as web browsers, as whilst it may be able to browse the Internet and edit word documents untill the end of time, you could very well find yourself upgrading to a newer larger MP camera (Not to mention more memory/resource intensive software) and having more and more trouble editing them. Which if you already have 4GB of ram in your iMac your upgrade path is simply 0. Photography editing has NOTHING to do with OSX, it needs fast hardware to process information and that is it. OSX doesn't magically turn that dual core 1GB ram system into a quad core 4GB system, and it will never edit photos as well. I cannot believe how hard this concept is to grasp.
 
But not with photos!!! Unfortunately the world of photography doesn't move at the same pace as web browsers.

I cannot believe how hard this concept is to grasp.

Or any other high end, very demanding, applications such as 3D work, video work et al. The concept isn't difficult to grasp and I am not sure why you though people cannot grasp it?

Your average user will get a better Return on Investment on an Apple computer due to reasons stated by myself and others. If they are into heavy computer usage they won't worry about the shelf life of the computer rather they will get the right tool to do the job.

Although I get the point you are making I do think you missed my point somewhat and I am unsure why you think photography needs a quad core 4gb+ RAM computer? That's some serious photography. I manipulate 10MP photos on my C2D 2.0Ghz 2GB RAM MacBook and my brother did freelance design and photgraphy work on his Core Solo MacBook until he earnt enough funds to by a new MBP.

So yes some areas of computing require earlier hardware upgrades but I fail to see how that negates my point that in general a Mac provides a better ROI than a Windows machine. It, of course, has no relevance to get the best Mac you can buy as that philosphy applies to anything in life. :)
 
Or any other high end, very demanding, applications such as 3D work, video work et al. The concept isn't difficult to grasp and I am not sure why you though people cannot grasp it?

Your average user will get a better Return on Investment on an Apple computer due to reasons stated by myself and others. If they are into heavy computer usage they won't worry about the shelf life of the computer rather they will get the right tool to do the job.

Although I get the point you are making I do think you missed my point somewhat and I am unsure why you think photography needs a quad core 4gb+ RAM computer? That's some serious photography. I manipulate 10MP photos on my C2D 2.0Ghz 2GB RAM MacBook and my brother did freelance design and photgraphy work on his Core Solo MacBook until he earnt enough funds to by a new MBP.

So yes some areas of computing require earlier hardware upgrades but I fail to see how that negates my point that in general a Mac provides a better ROI than a Windows machine. It, of course, has no relevance to get the best Mac you can buy as that philosphy applies to anything in life. :)

I just wrote out a reply on my iPhone and guess what, it crashed :p Hah.

IDE just like to say I reread my reply, and it does come off overly agressive, so I applaud you for keeping a level head in your reponse :) I'll post why I disagree with the RIO argument when I'm at a proper keyboard :D
 
I just wrote out a reply on my iPhone and guess what, it crashed :p Hah.

IDE just like to say I reread my reply, and it does come off overly agressive, so I applaud you for keeping a level head in your reponse :) I'll post why I disagree with the RIO argument when I'm at a proper keyboard :D

But Apple products never crash? :rolleyes::p:D

No worries I always try to keep a level head and your argument has some validity, I just happen to think that your average user will get a far better ROI owning a Mac over a PC. You are free, of course, to diagree.

Question: Do you own a Mac yourself?
 
But Apple products never crash? :rolleyes::p:D

No worries I always try to keep a level head and your argument has some validity, I just happen to think that your average user will get a far better ROI owning a Mac over a PC. You are free, of course, to diagree.

Question: Do you own a Mac yourself?

At the risk of no-one taking my point with any weight, I don't own a mac. I have however used them Monday to Friday for the past 2 years. So I certainly know my way around Osx and it's general capabilities, both with work and play (and photoshop, heh). I was seriously looking into a MacBook, as I think the design phillosphy applies far more when you need to really interact with something (lug it about, throw it in a bag, boot it around a studio etc), but the new ones not only increasingin price, look like one of the most distasteful things I've seen since Burberry made sportswear. :(
 
Although I get the point you are making I do think you missed my point somewhat and I am unsure why you think photography needs a quad core 4gb+ RAM computer? That's some serious photography. I manipulate 10MP photos on my C2D 2.0Ghz 2GB RAM MacBook and my brother did freelance design and photgraphy work on his Core Solo MacBook until he earnt enough funds to by a new MBP.

Indeed, I've been editing photos from my D200 quite happily on my original core duo macbook pro, no problems at all with performance in aperture, sure it'd be faster on a mac pro or new macbook pro, but £2000 faster?? I think I'll stick with this for now.
 
I have to agree with Sploge on this one - When I was at uni we did all our graphics work (including on photography) on the first aluminum iMacs. I never had any complaints and I don't think anyone else did either, about 180 students sharing about 40 iMacs and they were all standard spec 20".

If someone is really struggling to do photography editing or design work (bar 3D animation) then they must be using a digital Hasselblad or something.

My Macbook Pro crashed for the first time the other day because I was working on a 2GB multi-layered photoshop file whilst saving to an external server. I'm pretty sure any similarly specced PC would have done the same thing!

Panzer
 
At the risk of no-one taking my point with any weight, I don't own a mac. :(

Using on a regualr basis is as good as owning one. You don't have to own one to hang out on these Apple forums.

I have to disagree with you again I am afraid. The new MacBook/MacBook Pro makes me do a sex wee. I am not happy about the price though. Having used my brothers new MacBook Pro all I can say is wow!

Indeed, I've been editing photos from my D200 quite happily on my original core duo macbook pro, no problems at all with performance in aperture, sure it'd be faster on a mac pro or new macbook pro, but £2000 faster?? I think I'll stick with this for now.

Yeah. I'll stick to doing photography work (and my accounts, letter writing, emails web browsing and so on) on my White Book. She runs fine but I am saving up for a new iMac when they come out!

I have to agree with Sploge on this one

Finally!

I was beginning to think I was being picked on! ;) :p
 
Explain to me how OSX (or any BSD operating system) manages memory differently from Windows.

See bigredshark's post. However in a nutshell OS X (and other Unix derivatives) handle memory in a better way that Windows. That's one reason (and the other is how they handles processes) why these Unix derivatives tend to be more stable especially under load.
 
New iMacs on November 4th?

iMacs
- Montevina 2.6 - 3.2 Ghz
- Nvidia Geforce 9600 and 9800 GT
- Faster DDR3 RAM

Just read that from macrumors forums.
 
I have a 24" imac and love it. I'll never go back to windows again. The only thing that will tempt me away from imac is a new macbook pro (to replace my imac) once apple include blu-ray roms inside them.
 
New iMacs on November 4th?

iMacs
- Montevina 2.6 - 3.2 Ghz
- Nvidia Geforce 9600 and 9800 GT
- Faster DDR3 RAM

Just read that from macrumors forums.

Likely as the current one is in need of a spec bump and the current exclusive inclusion of Nvidia GPUs in the notebook range would also say the imacs will be getting that possibly along with the Unibody design.

I have a 24" imac and love it. I'll never go back to windows again. The only thing that will tempt me away from imac is a new macbook pro (to replace my imac) once apple include blu-ray roms inside them.

Why would you want to replace your desktop computer with a laptop? The screen size and resolution is a lot lower for starters.

I love my MacBook (bless Pismo's little socks) but I need a desktop and I ditched my PC a few months ago, so in 2009 a shiny iMac will complement my MacBook.
 
I ditched my PC a few months ago, so in 2009 a shiny iMac will complement my MacBook.

I will be getting mine in 2009 January. Should I wait encase of any hardware changes to the iMac's? I've heard they do the macworld convention thingies, and tell you there?
 
Why would you want to replace your desktop computer with a laptop? The screen size and resolution is a lot lower for starters.

I love my MacBook (bless Pismo's little socks) but I need a desktop and I ditched my PC a few months ago, so in 2009 a shiny iMac will complement my MacBook.

Because I will be moving about quiet a bit for the next 3 years, plus I'd like the idea of a smaller solution to my iMac.
 
Using on a regualr basis is as good as owning one. You don't have to own one to hang out on these Apple forums.

I have to disagree with you again I am afraid. The new MacBook/MacBook Pro makes me do a sex wee. I am not happy about the price though. Having used my brothers new MacBook Pro all I can say is wow!

Didn't think it would take me this long to get back! :p Apologies in advance for all the self-annotations.. It helps with misinterpretation!

Ok, essentially I think whilst a Mac might help your average home user screw less things up, not nessecarily because it's harder to do, but because there are just less things out there to get them (Which could be argued to be a very good 'Investment').. For anyone who has half a clue about computing and keeping one ticking over (Anyone likely to be asking on 'Overclockers UK Forums' :D) the money saved for a better spec machine would be considered the better investment.

Whilst Macs do hold their value (And i'm still not sure why they do this.. It's still all the same hardware that goes into them, and OSX running on anything could be matched with XP also running on anything), I don't think they hold it enough (Especially in the iMac, as you pay so much for it to begin with).

The previous example i mentioned with the Mac Pro was based around the time it took a computer to complete the "Retouch Artists speed test", by which the average 8Core Mac Pro system (New at the time - System cost for comparison was £2199) was posting times of around 24 seconds, whilst an average Quad Core PC build (Cost £600) was doing it in 18 seconds. The Guy made a comment about "What will yours be worth after 3 years? Thought so.. You could get half your MacPro investment back"... It basically surmounted to spending £3299 on 2 MacPro's over 6 years (£2199 on one plus half your investment recouped and put towards another), to £1200 on two PC's over 6 years (Assuming you got nothing back after the first one), only to run photoshop slower.. You could continue in 3 year loops if you wanted always assuming the PC would be worth nothing but you can see where it's going with regards to how much it would cost you. Future versions of photoshop using more resources may have changed this but it doesn't look like it's happening in at least CS4 for the Mac crowd..

Now the problem you have with the iMac of course, is in spec terms it doesn't exactly match up well to the MacPro or a PC, yet you're still paying more for it. Even when you take into account resale value.

I'm almost beggining to think I haven't been using Macs for the past 2 years, because some of the experiences posted on here are just completely contradictory to my own. Either that or i'm too used to how fast my computer handles my workflow, so anything slower really jumps out at me. I could kill a base spec 20" with very little effort once using a few more layers or higher resolution layouts etc.. The 24" with the 2.8ghz 'extreme' processor handled far more admirably, but then it obviously cost over twice what mine did back then, so i didn't see much point in buying one!

What it boils down to for me every single time, is Adobe Photoshop is not a platform specific program. I can switch between both platforms with ease, because it's always the same way to do the same thing (Save for a few shortcuts and menus, but even they are always incredibly similar, just add in the Apple key!). As Photoshop has no preferance on which Operating system to run on, it obviously only comes down to how much hardware you can throw at it. Which, at least for the forseeable past and future, will be the PC.

So if someone ever asks me what do i reccommend for running Photoshop, I can't reccommend an iMac, because I know i would be telling them to spend more money to do something slower.

Phew :D
 
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