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How many of you are going to get a Broadwell-E CPU?

I am highly considering upgrading to a 6-core Broadwell-e. This is from an i7 3770k.

Depends a bit on price though. I hope it's possible to get the basic 6-core + motherboard for £500.

Do we know if the basic 6-core is gimped on PCI lanes this time, or is it just lower base clockspeed?
 
It will likely be gimped, there needs to be some draw to buying the higher priced chips as Intel know a lot of multi gpu gamers go the enthusiast route now.
 
I am highly considering upgrading to a 6-core Broadwell-e. This is from an i7 3770k.

Depends a bit on price though. I hope it's possible to get the basic 6-core + motherboard for £500.

Do we know if the basic 6-core is gimped on PCI lanes this time, or is it just lower base clockspeed?

Given that broadwell-e has two hex core cpu's in the lineup (with one oct/8 core and one deca/10 core) its a given that the main difference between the hex's will be pci-e lane count... There will also be a small stock clock difference but expect similar overclocking results. Expect the same arrangement as 5820k/ 5930k

You wont get the 40 pci-e lane hex and motherboard for sub £500... The 6800k (broadwell-e equivalent position in the lineup to the 5820k) will almost certainly have 28 lanes. Expect initial uk retail pricing of £350+. The 40 lane 6850k (5930k equivalent in lineup l) will cost circa £500 on its own!
 
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Not sure if we can mention foreign sites due to competitor reason so wont mention the name, but certain one in Canada has these up for pre order, look legit at a big e-tailor. In CAD $

6950x: 2,339.85
6900k: 1489.92
6850k: 879.30
6800k: 617.17

Current prices for haswell-E at same place:
5960x: 1459.99
5930k: 799.99
5820k: 519.99

Looks like the new SKU will be carving its own new price point, not unexpected as such.
 
The Intel Broadwell-E Core i7-6950X is on pre-order across the pond....

INTEL® CORE™ I7-6950X Processor Extreme Edition 10 Core 25M Cache Up to 3.50 GHz
$2,349.98
 
Its a massive shame they didn't bump down the range from Haswell-E so you'd have the following:

6950x (10 core): £850
6900k (8 core): £500
6850k (6 core): £350

They would have been onto a winner then as many 5820k owners could perhaps have justified an upgrade to the 8 core chip.

As it stands it looks a lot like Broadwell on the desktop in that with Skylake-E in Q1 next year they don't seem too bothered about selling many!
 
Haswell-E is old and the IMC is relatively weak compared to the newborn Skylake. If Broadwell-E has a much stronger IMC than Haswell-E and overclocks better on average, then why not? I will probably sell my 5820K and get a Broadwell-E CPU + higher clocked memory. Most of us with Haswell-E CPUs just forget about running 3400 MHz+ memory only the most lucky ones.
 
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Most of us with Haswell-E CPUs just forget about running 3400 MHz+ memory only the most lucky ones.

You don't need 3400 Mhz+ memory on quad memory channel X99 even 3000Mhz is almost entirely pointless! You don't even benefit to a worth while degree from memory speeds above 2666Mhz on dual memory channel Z170!

See here and here and here for example....

Hell even using only 'average' speed memory on X99 in dual channel opposed to quad channel makes no appreciable differences unless your running a memory bandwidth benchmark!

See here!

Neither Z170 or X99 are short of memory bandwidth or speed using rather 'averagely' clocked DDR4 memory...

Neither benefit to a significant degree from running memory much above 2666Mhz (unless your using the integrated iGpu on Skylake in which case your not using the CPU right anyway!)

Anyhow although Broadwell-E ups the 'stock' max memory rate up to 2400Mhz from the 2133Mhz of Haswell-E I would not expect much improvement in the max overclocked memory speed as the slower average overclocked memory speed using Haswell-E/X99 compared to say Skylake/Z170 is a function of the more complicated quad channel memory interface (on X99) over the simpler dual channel interface (on Z170). Broadwell-E is likely to allow for similar average overclocked memory speeds to Haswel-El

Haswell-E is old and the IMC is relatively weak compared to the newborn Skylake. If Broadwell-E has a much stronger IMC than Haswell-E and overclocks better on average, then why not?

Broadwell-E is a die shrunk Haswell-E chip with a few 'tweaks'. 22nm - 14nm as per the now old school Intel Tick/Tock

Instructions per clock improvement will be minimal... within 5% max and more likely in the 2-3% range.

From what has leaked about the 10 core sku we know that Broadwell-E (25MB cache total on the ten core 6950X) will still have 2.5mb per core cache so the same as Haswell-E.

Its also highly probable that overclocking wise that Broadwell-E will be similar to Haswell-E given what performance/frequency gains were possible from consumer 22nm to 14nm overclocked CPU's and other recent CPU releases

Broadwell-E will offer a slightly cooler (overall) and less power hungry CPU for the same core count as Haswell-E with a ten core top end SKU (6950X) instead of a octo core top end sku (5960X).

Given that the 10 core will likely cost 1200+ and that it will overclock in a similar if not worse fashion to the 5960X it will be almost entirely pointless for anyone except those who probably should be going the whole multi threaded hog and using a Xeon anyhow.

Going from 'comparable' Haswell-E to Broadwell-E CPU's (i.e. 5820K - 6800K) is likely to rank as one of the most underwhelming 'upgrades' in Intel's history! Of course one of the benefits of the X99 platform over say the Z170 platform I that you do at least have the ability to drop it a CPU with more cores down the line where as with Z170 you can look forward to an equally underwhelming upgrade but be stuck with a 4c8t CPU going from a 6700K to the 'Kabylake' 'refresh' (7700K maybe?) as 6+ cores wont be coming to the 'consumer' lineup till Cannonlake hits (maybe in 2017?) with a whole new motherboard chipset and socket in tow and lets not forget that Intel are releasing another new chipset to get the most out of Kabylake anyhow so Z170 boards wont be top dog when Kabylake is out anyhow

with Skylake-E in Q1 next year

Very unlikely that you'll see Skylake-E in Q1 2017 given how Intel's release dates for CPU's have repeatedly been put back for recent releases...... as noted above Broadwell-E itself was penciled in for Q1 2016 and were already well into Q2 with no release date in sight for Broadwell-E
 
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I was going to go for the new 10 core 6950x as the basis for a new Video Edit/Encode workstation. But its looking like UK price will push £1k easily now (At least at launch)

I am swaying towards a Previous Gen system.

Have managed to line up a HP Z820 Workstation Dual CPU
2x E5-2690 2.9Ghz Base 3.8Ghz Turbo

So 16 Cores and 32 Threads

I think the Dual 2690s are going to be a little faster than a single 6950x but more power hungry.

The Z820 System complete with 512SSD 64GB Memory and GTX970 Graphics comes in at £1600

Although my heart is saying wait for the latest newest shiniest CPU my Head says save a bunch and go with the Xeon E5-2690s
 
Nope, not leaving my trusty 3770k that clocks to 4.8ghz just yet. The performance increase for the price of everything is just not worth it.
 
Agree with Caracus2k, and the rumours of Intel going 6+ core for mainstream with Cannonlake might well be true if Zen catches up in IPC.

I might avoid Broadwell-e and wait and see what Cannonlake is like next year, sitting tight with a 5820k for now. Pointless moving until a good bump in IPC comes along, which may be quite a while.
 
Im hoping that Zen will force Intel to at least slightly drop the price so that I could afford a lower end broadwell-e processor for runescape ;)
 
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