Don't toy with me fellas, I'm all hormonal. Is it...........real? I need to sit down.
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How Much Warning Before Nvidia Release
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Don't toy with me fellas, I'm all hormonal. Is it...........real? I need to sit down.
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I wonder how many listened to the "a long time" nonsense and already bought a current gen card instead of waiting a couple of months.
It was so obvious something was coming with all the sales and leaks. If anyone bought right now then they deserve it.
My how the fickle the voices are. It’s amazing how attitudes have changed now a release date has been announced. I’ve seen so many people saying ‘just buy now’.
I’m excited for the release, I always suspected around this time period, latest September. It’ll probably stil be a wait for the ti; as much as a year imo. When it drops I’ll be picking it up with whatever the best UW monitor is at the time (as long as it has FALD, HDR and g-sync).
Here’s hoping it’s a significant step up, and that AMD shocks us all with a competitive release in the coming months. They’ve made the cpu sector very interesting, but somehow I don’t think we’ll see the same with GPUs. Here’s hoping.
I’m excited for the release, I always suspected around this time period, latest September. It’ll probably stil be a wait for the ti; as much as a year imo. When it drops I’ll be picking it up with whatever the best UW monitor is at the time (as long as it has FALD, HDR and g-sync).
Here’s hoping it’s a significant step up, and that AMD shocks us all with a competitive release in the coming months. They’ve made the cpu sector very interesting, but somehow I don’t think we’ll see the same with GPUs. Here’s hoping.
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Pricing is the key though.
It's always been Nvidia's practice to launch their cards high, and only cut price when AMD comes along with new cards (GTX780 high launch price only dropped after AMD launched the 290 series). The only time that Nvidia have launched their cards at more reasonable price was when they came later to the new gen than AMD (GTX680 vs HD7970), or rebranding of previous cards (GTX680-> GTX770).
I think we can expect the FE tax that came with the last model and a 4-8 week delay before partners release their own boards. I expect a good range before christmas to be available. I can't remember what launch msrp of the 1080 FE was, but I expect that plus $50 perhaps $100 if it has significantly more ram. I am hoping actually that apart from launch tax which we ought to expect and is normal behaviour for Nvidia based on their last launch we might see a return to a more stable price point. It will depend on the hash rate I guess.
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The msrp for the 1080 Nvidia "claimed" it was going to be $599 before launch, but then they gone straight into launching the FE at $699 while claim other AIB would later launch theirs closer to the $599; but no AIB in the right mind was gonna sell themselves short and sell their superior, custom cooled cards for so much lesser than the FE so in reality the $599 msrp was nothing what empty words for positive pre-launch reviews. Only the absolutely rubbish quality "joker card" that has a plastic shroud with blower cooler was coming close to as low as the msrp.
The reality has always been that if Nvidia bring new gen cards to the table before AMD, they would just ask for as much as they could and see how well their stock shift first, then they would see if they would need to cut price, may it be because the cards ain't shifting as well as they anticipated, or AMD have brought new cards to table compete.
The price drop of the 780 had nothing to do with the release of the 290 though. It was because they released the 780Ti. And we know that's the case because every generation since then, on the release of the x80Ti, the X80 card drops in price.
I can't see the 1180 being lower than $649 MSRP. Probably $749 for the FE. $699/$799 isn't impossible either.
I'd be selling those 1080ti's about now
I’m sure a lot of people have been tempted into picking up ti’s new or second hand with the recent drops, but I genuinely think it’s still robbery.
Genuinely glad I’m waiting. Hoping I can get the new ti in 9 months, I have a feeling it’ll be an absolute monster. By that time my dream HDR UW, FALD, G-Sync monitor should exist too. Let’s just hope my 4790k can keep up for a few more years.
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You got the order of things wrong.
Nvidia launched Titan and then the GTX780, then AMD launched the 290x and it beat both the GTX780 and the Titan. Nvidia dropped the price for their GTX780 around 2 weeks after the 290x launch. The 780Ti was only later launched as an afterthought, purely for the sake of taken back the "performance crown" from AMD.
I know the order of things. Titan in February, 780 in May, 780 based on Rev 2 of the GK110 released in September and then the 780Ti in November. The 780Ti wasn't launched as an after thought. They always intended to launch one, that's why they went to the trouble of making a second revision of the GK110. The 780Ti was more than a rumour before AMD announced the release of their Hawaii cards in September of that year. Everyone knew it was coming, and everyone knew it would be released around the same time of the 290. IT wasn't an afterthought, remember, it was ready to go and on the shelves available to purchase on the 7th of November.
But, when we look back at that release and every release since, we see that it wasn't the launch of the 290 cards that caused Nvidia to drop the price of the 780, but, the release of the 780Ti. When Nvidia released the 980Ti, they dropped the price of the 980, when they released the 1080Ti, they dropped the price of the 1080. See the pattern? AMD had no competition for the last two releases, yet Nvidia dropped the price of the x80 card just the same.
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How much warning do we get? Jensen will send out an email letting you know.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/7465...-gtx-780770-price-cuts-gtx-780-ti-launch-date
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...deep-price-cuts-in-response-to-amd-r9-barrage
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-gtx-780-price-drop,news-46028.html
Note how all 3 articles say the price-cut was a direct response to AMD's 290 series release. The price of 780 dropped before the 780ti was launched.
As for "AMD had no competition (against Nvidia) for the last two releases": the 390 and 390x actually did quite well against the 970 and 980, thanks to no small part to the controversy of 970 "3.5GB vram" and the 700 series cards performed like crap for over 6 months, and during that time AMD offered comparable performance cards but with double the amount of vram (8GB vs 3.5/4GB) and higher memory bandwidth making them the better cards for gaming at 1440 res. Did AMD bring out something that could beat the 980Ti? People was hoping the lower priced Fury X was the answer to that but that didn't turn out fruitful, but none the less it was certainly something and along with the 390/390X 8GB on the market, Nvidia DID have competition, abut the exception to the 980ti card itself.
As for the 1080, it was launch at ridiculously overpriced level (a mid-high range card being launch at higher than previous flagship ti level card price), while not offering significantly better performance over the previous gen 980ti, so it was only natural for it have dropped in price after a while, as they clearly weren't shifting as well as they should have at £550~£600+. The whole point was to make the later released 1080ti look like a great value card despite being at a even higher launch price than the 980ti, while making as much money from the mid-high chip cards like the 1080 at as high profit margin and as much profit as possible- 2 birds 1 stone. Also the whole mining craze has pretty much make any pricing pattern for this gen pointless, as if you were going to base on that, how are you going to take into account the price hike for the Nvidia cards after all the AMD cards got grabbed by the miners?
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Those articles were all from around the time when the 290 was released. And yes, back then it looked like the release of the 290 caused Nvidia to drop the price of the 780. But, now looking back, we can see that it wasn't anything to do with AMD at all. The only thing Nvidia did was time the announcement and release of the 780Ti so that it took the gloss of the 290 release. They did the same with the 980Ti, timed the release to ruin the launch of the Furyx.
It's rose tinted glasses that you are looking through. The 980 and 970 were released in September 2014, The R9 390 cards weren't released until June 2015. You know the 980Ti came out before the 390 cards as well? And Nvidia dropped the price of the 980 cards because they released the 980Ti.
All you have to do is look at the Nvidia releases since the first generation Kepler cards. Their strategy is pretty plain to see, you even touched on it in your post. They release the Titan and x80 cards first at an high price, then later on the release the x80Ti cards and drop the price of the x80 cards. This is your 2 birds with 1 stone as people are upgrading twice during the one generation. The only adjustment they made for the past two generations is to release the x80 card first, and the Titan a short time later, to get a few more buyers.
Sorry, but, I don't understand how you can realise that is Nvidia's strategy and still think that they dropped the price for the 290 cards when all the actual evidence points to them dropping the x80 price when the x80Ti is released.
The price hike had nothing to do with Nvidia or AMD and it only started at the end of last year and the beginning of this year. The 1080, 1080Ti and Titan cards had all been out a long time by then. Also, the price on Nvidia's online shop didn't change even at the height of the mining craze, you could still buy the cards at MSRP, they were hard to get but they were available. How would we know if it was a price hike if we didn't know what the MSRP was?