How to find out if a property is ex-council?

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:25

Jez said:
.......thats precisely the aim

Eh?

The point of council housing is affordable housing, it's not supposed to be the market value, it's for people who can't afford to start a family and spend £500+ a month on rent because they don't earn enough.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:26

$loth said:
Eh?

The point of council housing is affordable housing, it's not supposed to be the market value, it's for people who can't afford to start a family and spend £500+ a month on rent because they don't earn enough.

This is like banging my head against a brick wall, what part of my opinion on council housing do you not understand? Every single point you have made has been addressed in previous posts. I know exactly what the intention of it is, and why its there, but i do not agree AT ALL with it.

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:28

Jez said:
This is like banging my head against a brick wall, what part of my opinion on council housing do you not understand? Every single point you have made has been addressed in previous posts.

I'm not talking about how YOU would want council housing, i'm saying that IS the point of council housing. Your opinion is completely the opposite of what the intention of council housing is supposed to offer.

If you would want council housing at market value, how would you suggest people start familys whilst living in a home big enough? Baring in mind that in many places rent is £150+ a week.

It seems like you don't even understand the point of council housing.

PeterNem · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:28

It offends me that people say they are not leeching from society when they quite blatently are. I'd love to pay below market value rent, but unfortunately that isn't an option.

In the meantime as well as paying astronomical rent I am emptying my pockets to the tax man so he can subsidise others, provide services I have no use for and generally make me worse off than I should be.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:29

$loth said:
If you would want council housing at market value, how would you suggest people start familys whilst living in a home big enough? Baring in mind that in many places rent is £150+ a week.

Oh..my...god.

Please read my posts. Carefully this time.

Rob43 · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:29

Jez said:
While my parents are wealthy, they have provided very little financial help, my father has always believed that his children must make their own way. Only when i am much older will i reap the rewards of his hard work in the form of inheritance. Had i been given large handouts i would not have the opinion of council tenants that i do.

Re the second point, do you honestly believe that £58pw is market value for a 2 bedroom flat, even in Scotland? Thats only just over £200pm, thats very very cheap.

Re the third, i have no idea, i am not a politician and i have no idea what i'd do. The situation is such that it would be impossible to simply demand market value rent for all council property, but that would be my ultimate long term aim.

I've never said it was cheap/expensive, i also don't have a clue as to what the flat is worth,like i said,i pay what i have to pay

My parents were not weathly unfortunatley,but hard working people,the both of them i might add & i consider myself & my wife to be the same. But leechers,c'mon mate

PardonTheWait · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:31

Jez said:
This is like banging my head against a brick wall, what part of my opinion on council housing do you not understand? Every single point you have made has been addressed in previous posts. I know exactly what the intention of it is, and why its there, but i do not agree AT ALL with it.

You're trying to say you don't think council housing should exist.

You haven't actually said it. Instead of 'banging your head against a brick wall', try saying what you actually mean instead of letting people guess.

I'd like to see what your opinion on council housing was if you were found yourself in need of it. I'm sure you'd change your tune.

Dave M · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:31

Jez said:
Re the second point, do you honestly believe that £58pw is market value for a 2 bedroom flat, even in Scotland? Thats only just over £200pm, thats very very cheap.

What is market value anyway? What private landlords think they can get away with charging? Why is that a logical base for a social housing scheme to set their rents?

You build a house - you sell it for 'market value', this house which cost you exactly the same (excluding land - which someone else has profiteered on at 'market value') to build as it did 10 years ago when it was half the price.

I don't really understand the attitudes coming from some youngsters on this forum - it's like listening to a bunch of tory boys trying to one up each other.

Vixen · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:32

Jez said:
I meant exactly what i asked, what do you get for your £58pw. You get a whole 2 bedroom flat to yourself including maintenance?

ridiculous if thats the case.

In Fife, which his location is set as, you can rent a HOUSE for less than £300p/m. You really need to look at the facts before ranting at people.

Rob43 · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:33

Vixen said:
In Fife, which his location is set as, you can rent a HOUSE for less than £300p/m. You really need to look at the facts before ranting at people.

Thank you very much

Strax · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:34

Rob43 said:
I've never said it was cheap/expensive, i also don't have a clue as to what the flat is worth,like i said,i pay what i have to pay

My parents were not weathly unfortunatley,but hard working people,the both of them i might add & i consider myself & my wife to be the same. But leechers,c'mon mate

I have got to agree with you totally on this. 20 years ago, getting a council house was (relatively) easy.

I waited for a year and then got a 3 bedroom house. No kids then. Thanks to that awfully kind Mrs Thatcher ( :mad:

) I bought mine as soon as my 2 years were up. Still staying in it though, so maybe not as bad as some people who cashed in

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:37

Jez said:
Oh..my...god.

Please read my posts. Carefully this time.

I have. I still fail to see how you would expect people to actually have families if they would have to pay market value.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:39

Vixen said:
In Fife, which his location is set as, you can rent a HOUSE for less than £300p/m. You really need to look at the facts before ranting at people.

I did address this at the start, the rant is about the state of council housing in general, not at all aimed necessarily at the poor guy who probably feels like i am attacking him personally.

Mohinder - Worst case scenario my other half leaves me and i lose my job, and for some reason cant find another one. I can rent a flat privately for myself on a £6ph shop type wage if i had to. I cannot forsee a situation for which i would require council subsidies.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:39

$loth said:
I have. I still fail to see how you would expect people to actually have families if they would have to pay market value.

I would not expect them to thoughtlessly have a family without the means to support them. I went over that opinion several times. But as Mohinder says i suppose its better to say it in black and white rather than replying on people to see that this is obviously what i would think.

Rob43 · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:41

Jez said:
I did address this at the start, the rant is about the state of council housing in general, not at all aimed necessarily at the poor guy who probably feels like i am attacking him personally.

Well you did call me a leecher mate,how am i supposed to see it,it was a personal attack on me after all :mad:

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:42

Rob43 said:
Well you did call me a leecher mate,how am i supposed to see it,it was a personal attack on me after all

You and thousands of others as a collective.

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:42

Jez said:
I would not expect them to thoughtlessly have a family without the means to support them. I went over that opinion several times.

No you didn't.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:43

Jez said:
.......................

In my eyes they should have not started a family without having the necessary financial backing in place beforehand, they have put themselves in that situation and only they are to blame. .................................................................. Why should they leech from hard working individuals like myself who are making their own way in life without relying on subsidies from the government to help them?

I posted that ages ago.

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:47

I know you did, but that's not supporting them i.e having government help, it's supporting themselves

without having the necessary financial backing

, which on a £6ph wage without coucil housing would not happen.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:49

$loth said:
I know you did, but that's not supporting them i.e having government help, it's supporting themselves , which on a £6ph wage without coucil housing would not happen.

I dont care how you want to look at it, they have started a family without the necessary financial security, and are therefore causing a drain on society. If they did not have a family to support they could live on that £6ph wage in private accomodation.