How would you fix digital advertising?

I'm going to use an example here.

Look at this very site. One ad banner at the top of the page. This is perfect! This is the way sites should be. 1 is enough. Banners can be rolling and made to change per site visit this used to be done and probably still does.

For this reason OcUK is in my whitelist. :)
 
yes part of the content, some video creators already do this.

Also when its part of the content adblockers cannot block it as its actually part of the video.

A small logo in the corner or product placement is not worse as its not interrupting the content, a pre roll forces you to wait to start watching the video, its about your precious time as a human being. Not losing a few pixels to a logo.

Yes influencer marketing has been in the news quite a lot recently as the regulator believes it is misleading vulnerable people. It's interesting you seem to prefer the advertising being part of the content when most of the responses in this thread seem to want the opposite - the advertising as far away from the content as possible.

@Haggisman thanks for your perspective, but let me respond specifically to your first point:

I take it you also feel that using Sky+ to fast forward through ads is stealing from the program producers?

This is simply a misunderstanding of how the technology works.

When you're skipping ITV ads on Sky+ you're not punishing ITV, or punishing the X Factor, you're punishing the Brand who bought the ad space.

When you're skipping display ads using an adblocker, the Brand doesn't pay (because the ads don't show) and you're punishing the publisher instead.
 
I'm going to use an example here.

Look at this very site. One ad banner at the top of the page. This is perfect! This is the way sites should be. 1 is enough. Banners can be rolling and made to change per site visit this used to be done and probably still does.

For this reason OcUK is in my whitelist. :)
The forum here makes a loss though, this was often stated by the previous owner. It doesn't exist out of goodwill, it exists as a unique way to drive more traffic to the main site. Go to the main Overclockers site and you'll find it pretty much only consists of content trying to sell products - that's their business. Completely different to something like a news website.
 
Not really, do you get nervous when you venture out into the big scary world and see advertisements on buses too?

That analogy would be accurate if every billboard you walked past had a salesman ready to jump out and start yelling in your face or potentially had someone with a knife behind it waiting to jump out at you and stab you
 
That analogy would be accurate it every billboard you walked past had a salesman ready to jump out and start yelling in your face or potentially had someone with a knife behind it waiting to jump out at you and stab you

You're worried about being stabbed online? What? I assume you're referencing malware but, once again, could you give an example of a publisher who fills their ad slots with malware please?
 
I am not talking about the type of influencer marketing that misleads people, what you mean is when someone reviews a product and then pretends they not sponsored.

What I mean is e.g. if cola is your sponsor, then you have a can of cola on your desk in the video. Or their logo at corner of video.

e.g. the premier league has tag heuer as a time sponsor and it shows now and then next to the clock, never heard anyone moan about it as it isnt disruptive.

It's interesting you seem to prefer the advertising being part of the content when most of the responses in this thread seem to want the opposite - the advertising as far away from the content as possible.

Also you clearly dont understand, no one is telling you that at all, they telling you it shouldnt be disruptive.
 
I note you've asked 'what sort of sites are you browsing with such a poor experience?'

Local news is one.

I installed an ad blocker for my parents as a direct result of them becoming confused by an advert mimicking the site content that installed malware that took me hours to remove. It's the easier solution versus cleaning up their PC every other month because some dodgy ad infects their PC with adware.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk

I defy anyone to use that site for more than 5 minutes before closing it and thinking 'jesus christ what a ****ing mess'. Just be careful not to click on any of the ads disguised as content, they may or may not be dodgy.
 
The forum here makes a loss though, this was often stated by the previous owner. It doesn't exist out of goodwill, it exists as a unique way to drive more traffic to the main site. Go to the main Overclockers site and you'll find it pretty much only consists of content trying to sell products - that's their business. Completely different to something like a news website.

There is no way OcUK makes a loss because of their advertising model! News websites are terrible! They don't need to advertise at all. News sites in my eyes should be funded as long as it's correct and informative news! NOT fake news, which is all over now! I trust 0 news outlets at all. I would prefer to do my own research if I'm interested in that topic. To be fair I'm not interested in news.
 
I note you've asked 'what sort of sites are you browsing with such a poor experience?'

Local news is one.

I installed an ad blocker for my parents as a direct result of them becoming confused by an advert mimicking the site content that installed malware that took me hours to remove. It's the easier solution versus cleaning up their PC every other month because some dodgy ad infects their PC with adware.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk

I defy anyone to use that site for more than 5 minutes before closing it and thinking 'jesus christ what a ****ing mess'. Just be careful not to click on any of the ads disguised as content, they may or may not be dodgy.

I quote you and raise you..

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/

Absolute disgrace of a site!
 
There is no way OcUK makes a loss because of their advertising model! News websites are terrible! They don't need to advertise at all. News sites in my eyes should be funded as long as it's correct and informative news! NOT fake news, which is all over now! I trust 0 news outlets at all. I would prefer to do my own research if I'm interested in that topic. To be fair I'm not interested in news.
Not OCUK but the forums. They make a 'loss' because they are effectively one big advert (or at least marketing exercise) for the shop itself.

If this was an independent forum, it wouldn't survive on the basis of one banner ad alone.
 
If the ad experience fundamentally changed you would still not want to be exposed to them? Can I ask, honestly, whether you feel annoyed when you see advertising on billboards, buses, Piccadilly Circus etc. whilst out and about? How about in newspapers and magazines? Or is your negative perception of advertising specifically aimed towards digital?
I don't want my answers to your questions to detract from my points about digital ads, so I'm going to set out my main complaints with digital ads first.
- Ads cost performance, hugely. Like many here I paid a premium for a good internet connection and hardware and I want to control what uses my expensive resources, this is even more important on mobile, which is the growing device segment. I'm also partly answering this as a developer highly concerned with performance professionally. Imagine a car designer makes a super safe car, only to see someone else selling a car without seat belts. Ads as they stand are a major reputation hit for my profession.
- Ads take up screen real-estate. Main complaints are pixels on the screen or time in videos, but it can be more subtle than that. Again, as a developer, usability is very important to me, content should be presented in the most accessible and usable way, and ads always break that. This shouldn't be overlooked, it's a legal requirement not to discriminate against disabled people.
- Ads are abused. This is a general point about security and privacy which doesn't require explanation. The underlying point is one of human nature, there'll always be someone looking to take advantage of this sort of opportunity. It's my responsibility to protect me, it isn't reasonable to 'trust' someone else to do that on my behalf.
- Ads impact content. Sites competing for clicks and hits take steps which make their content worse but result in more traffic, e.g. clickbait. I think we all have a duty to block ads to make that business model not profitable. Ads are so prolific because most people don't block them.

Q: If the ad experience fundamentally changed you would still not want to be exposed to them?
A: I would still not want to be exposed to them. I think whichever way the experience changed, the issues I set out above would still be present to a large degree.

Q: Can I ask, honestly, whether you feel annoyed when you see advertising on billboards, buses, Piccadilly Circus etc. whilst out and about?
A: I'm not paying for the billboard, I'm not trying to use the billboard for something else, so it's not nearly as annoying as digital advertising.

Q: How about in newspapers and magazines?
A: Similar to junk mail, there's a special place in hell for people who cut down trees to produce paper to print something on it that most people immediately put in the recycle bin.

Q: Or is your negative perception of advertising specifically aimed towards digital?
A: More broadly, the entire point of advertising is to generate demand. To make you spend money on something you otherwise wouldn't have spent money on. Advertising is psychological warfare. It is a direct attack on me which exploits the flaws in my brain, and so the correct response is to protect myself and to fight back.
 
The ocuk forum serves to drive people to the website, which probably then only requires a very small % to buy products from ocuk to make it worthwhile.

This forum led me to buying from ocuk, so I am a prime example.

Also forum members get free DPD delivery, so clearly the company wants its customers to use the forum to keep it active which in turn keeps the loop going.
 
Not OCUK but the forums. They make a 'loss' because they are effectively one big advert (or at least marketing exercise) for the shop itself.

If this was an independent forum, it wouldn't survive on the basis of one banner ad alone.

I am a member of some forums which have no ads whatsoever, they survive on the owners funding the site, which is good. Hosting isnt actually that expensive, unless you someone like twitter who has hits in the millions.
 
5G will solve this.
This is not true, take my word for it as a professional/expert.

What happens when connection speeds improve is web designers get lazy and consume the additional resource, whether this is adding more videos or images, or more ads, or simply don't bother with performance optimization, or choose to show you higher definition content because it looks better quality than someone else's. An extreme example would be autoplaying video adverts in 4K.

If you tried to load today's web pages 20 years ago nothing would ever load and your web browser would crash because it can't process the resources required to render the web page.
 
I am a member of some forums which have no ads whatsoever, they survive on the owners funding the site, which is good. Hosting isnt actually that expensive, unless you someone like twitter who has hits in the millions.
I'm sure the last time I remember the costs of this place being posted about, it ran well into the tens of thousands per year.

Sure a smaller forum could survive from someone dipping in their pocket personally for some hosting but not something this big.
 
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