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Why do people want random unreliability back? Especially you arknor with all the reliability related retirements Schumacher's had?

I've no interest in watching championships be decided by fluke.
 
Skeeter said:
Why do people want random unreliability back? Especially you arknor with all the reliability related retirements Schumacher's had?

I've no interest in watching championships be decided by fluke.
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they have always been decided by machinery and always will be, wondering if someones engine is going to blow adds some suspense and excitment , theres not much fun watching someone in the lead knowing the race is won after the final pitstops

a few more safety cars over the season from cars breaking down wouldnt hurt either
 
I have to admit that some of the most exciting bits over the last few years for me have involved mechanical failures, whether that's a bit perverse or not I'm not sure :p

Raikkonen's suspension failing into breaking after he had a massive flatspot in his Mclaren days, Massa's engine blowing up 3 laps from home in 2008, Buemi's 2 wheels popping off under breaking at high speed, bits of Vettel's engine falling out the back in 2010 etc. etc.

Wouldn't want to see half the field retiring though, just the odd title-changing mishap as long as it favours a driver I like :D
 
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Skeeter said:
Why do people want random unreliability back? Especially you arknor with all the reliability related retirements Schumacher's had?

I've no interest in watching championships be decided by fluke.
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It's not fluke at all, reliability issues come when teams push equipment hard, or try experimenting with tech. Reliability in these case has nothing to with fluke. While we have all these arbitrary limits. Rpm, kers energy, kers recovery, kers power so on and so forth we don't see teams push these areas and as such reliability in these areas is outstanding. But remove part of what f1 is about. Modern f1 is basically all devlopment on aero. Where it should be the opposite. Aero should be massively limited while things like kers massively derugulated.
 
Of course F1 should be about pushing technology. I'm all for new engine technology. I think its frankly embarresing that F1 is running engine technology thats pretty much 10 years old now. Even IndyCar has more 'real world relevant' engines now.

But thats different to just wanting arbitrary mechanical failures. Of course new engine tech will bring with it reliability issues, but I'd rather see the manufacturers competing to make the fastest and most efficient engine, rather than just making one that doesn't blow up.

Just because I want to see F1 drag its ass into the 21st century with engine technology doesn't mean I also want to see multiple random blow-ups at every grand prix. Theres been enough complaining that this season is 'too random' already.
 
Skeeter said:
I've no interest in watching championships be decided by fluke.
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It's also balanced out championships in the past too. Alonso vs Schumacher in 2006 where, in the eyes of the vast majority, after Alonso was unfairly punished at Monza and his own engine subsequently blew up in the race, Schumacher's did the same at Suzuka, a first for years, meaning Alonso had a chance to seal the title in the final race.
 
Time for KERS power to be increased, give them something to work on :) Can't believe its been the same level since being introduced (although made smaller and lighter by the teams).
 
Duke said:
Time for KERS power to be increased, give them something to work on :) Can't believe its been the same level since being introduced (although made smaller and lighter by the teams).
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KERS should be completely deregulated. Harness all the energy you can and use it however you like. Then you'll see some real technological progress in an area with road car relevance.
 
Glaucus said:
Haven't marussia, been moving factory's, you can't really say anything about marussia this year, that will be next year the funding will kick in properly.
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Actually what happened was Wirth Research (who had CFD designed the first Virgin Car) bought a factory in Banbury and moved there from Bicester. A short time later it was announced that Nick Wirth was being replaced as Technical Director and Marussia were coming on board - so Virgin (or Manor GP to be more accurate) and Wirth parted ways, with Wirth moving back to Bicester and Marrusia buying the factory lease.

But all that was June last year and I'm pretty sure that the main car base in Dinnington was unaffected - you're simply not going to move that base during a season.
 
kaiowas said:
KERS should be completely deregulated. Harness all the energy you can and use it however you like. Then you'll see some real technological progress in an area with road car relevance.
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F1 cannot ever be unregulated.

The costs would spiral out of control and kill the sport.

I agree it needs to be much looser though.
 
but the batteries are heavy and constant charging and discharging gets them hot very quickly so even if there use was unlimited the teams wouldnt be able to abuse the battery lap after lap for a whole race without risk.

anyone whos ever been into an RC hobby will know just how warm lipos get even from the slow drain of an small electric motor, the advice given by the manufacturers is to let the batteries cooldown before you charge them , your suposed to let the batteries cooldown after they are charged before using them aswell.

overuse can cause the battery to swell like baloon
 
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But that's the point, allow then to develop such systems, try new batteries. They could afford to buy the new prototype batteries. They could use cooling systems. They could choose to charge for 10+ laps and get a massive boost or have a little boost every lap. This technology is relevant to other sectors and it's such a shame they are limited on every aspect of it.
 
yea higher capacity/charge/discharge times on lipos would benefit almost every industry, lipos are in almost everything these days

i bet they could easily get a battery company involved like pirrelli do for tyres
 
Moley said:
But all that was June last year and I'm pretty sure that the main car base in Dinnington was unaffected - you're simply not going to move that base during a season.
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Caterham have relocated their race team during this season. When the shutdown is over they will be operating from the old Super Aguri factory.
 
Skeeter said:
F1 KERS doesn't use LiPo's though?
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what do you imagine they use then? as far as im away Lithium-ion polymer cells offer the greatest energy stored/weight ratio of all battery technology we have?
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/hondas-f1-kers-motor-60-kw-21000-rpm-7-kg.html#more
The 106-cell lithium-ion battery pack
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honda clearly used a 106s lipo pack

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Wikipedia seems to suggest lipo is the best battery technology available aswell
On 26 October 2010, a Li-poly powered Audi A2 covered the record distance of 600 km without recharging.From April 2011 batteries of this type for output exceeding one Megawatt have been responsible for a number of world speed records in drag racing.
 
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i just assumed they were litium ion polymer seeing as those evolved from li-ion and have a greater discharge rate

The advantages of Li-ion polymer over the lithium-ion design include potentially lower cost of manufacture, adaptability to a wide variety of packaging shapes, reliability, and ruggedness. Lithium-ion polymer batteries started appearing in consumer electronics around 1995.
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Lower cost
adaptability to a wide variety of packaging shapes
reliability
ruggedness
20% lighter

your not confusing lipo with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_batteries ?

li-ion are packaged with a hard metal external casing
lipo are a soft pouch sometimes with a plastic outer packaging for added durability

this discussion apears to back me up
http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=148949

but mevermind skeeter i try to have a reasonable discussion with you and you have to start this LOLARKNOR BS! grow the hell up ffs

i dont understand why an f1 team would choose li-ion when there packaging is a huge disadvantage over lipo.

maybe the redbull guy can clear this u
 
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