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lipo can still be in a hard case and they are still basicly the same technology is li-ion
http://support.radioshack.com/support_tutorials/batteries/bt-liion-main.htm
lithium-ion batteries are limited in shape to either prismatic (rectangular) or cylindrical.
Lithium-Ion-Polymer batteries are the next stage in development and replace the liquid electrolyte with a plastic (or polymer) electrolyte. This allows the batteries to be made in a variety of shapes and sizes.
why would f1 choose li-ion over li-po? surely beeing able to shape the battery and not beeing forced to use a metal case and beeing the next step in battery technology makes more sense?
its possible people are confusing lipo with li-ion in articles as they are still essentially lithium ion batteries accept the liquid electrolyte is replaced with a polymer instead
hopefully sparky can find out and give a definitive answer
LOLARKNOR
http://support.radioshack.com/support_tutorials/batteries/bt-liion-main.htm
lithium-ion batteries are limited in shape to either prismatic (rectangular) or cylindrical.
Lithium-Ion-Polymer batteries are the next stage in development and replace the liquid electrolyte with a plastic (or polymer) electrolyte. This allows the batteries to be made in a variety of shapes and sizes.
why would f1 choose li-ion over li-po? surely beeing able to shape the battery and not beeing forced to use a metal case and beeing the next step in battery technology makes more sense?
its possible people are confusing lipo with li-ion in articles as they are still essentially lithium ion batteries accept the liquid electrolyte is replaced with a polymer instead
hopefully sparky can find out and give a definitive answer
LOLARKNOR
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Red Bull use super capacitors mounted on the floor of the car. The Toyota Le Mans hybrid also uses these, whilst the Audi used a flywheel system. So no single consensus on the best way forward.
It's not going to be a quiet system as it's a 7kg flywheel spinning up to 125000rpm.
Still not something I'd want near me in an accident. It'd rip through anything in its way.
They have the least money and personnel of any team, stop whining
Caterham are under-performing given the personnel and financial backing they have. Battling with what is essentially Minardi-Ferrari driven by two rookies is weak, they should have points by now.
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Karthikeyan is the worst driver I have ever seen on a F1 grid. I mean him, his car, is so slow and yet he still gets done for speeding in pit lanes.
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They have the least money and personnel of any team, stop whining
Caterham are under-performing given the personnel and financial backing they have. Battling with what is essentially Minardi-Ferrari driven by two rookies is weak, they should have points by now.
They would have points by now if it weren't for the high level of engine reliability in F1 these days. Minnows always used to do well by sacrificing speed for as much reliability as they could afford, but now everyone is equally reliable.
I would agree. Caterham are a far larger 'relative' disappointment than HRT. HRT have no money, and are at the back, whereas a report last year suggested that Caterham were now the 5th or 6th best funded team on the grid, yet they are only marginally better than HRT.
Caterham has been a massive disappointment.
It does depend on what the funding is being spend on.
The other established teams have factories which they have built up over the years with all sorts of toys in.
Caterham 3 years ago had nothing. In fact, they were the only new team in 2010 to start with nothing. All the others were based around existing race teams in other formula. How much do you reckon it'd take to build or upgrade an existing facility to even Williams standards let alone McLaren or Ferrari? I was going to say Sauber, but their facility was significantly upgraded by BMW.
I de believe that they are under performing this year and from speaking to a couple of people I know who work there, they are bitterly disappointed this year. But they have taken steps forward each year.
Marussia have only just started to move forwards. Given they came 12th in 2010 and 2011 - even behind HRT.
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didnt they move to leafield this year?
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/01/caterham-confirm-factory-move-to-leafield/
EDIT: looks like the move was scheduled to happen sometime this month
The plan was *might still be* to be up and running at the new facility when the summer break was over.
Lots of the signs are up now.