"Hundreds" of Met Police armed response officers hand in the weapons after colleague charged with murder - Chris Kaba Shooting aftermath.

[Marmot]

Unarmed man killed by a police officer, well he was probably guilty and deserved it

Wasn't the same vehicle involved in a firearms related incident a day earlier? The car was pulled over, wedged in, and the driver started ramming officers?

Nobody can say without seeing the bodycam whether the actions of the officer were proportionate or criminal.

 

[Lean]

You would hope the police had more evidence than the car pinging ANPR cameras. Cloned plates are major thing with ULEZ.

 

[cheesyboy]

So why doesn't this count as a wildcat strike (which is illegal) by the police?

 

[platinum87]

Wasn't the same vehicle involved in a firearms related incident a day earlier? The car was pulled over, wedged in, and the driver started ramming officers?

Nobody can say without seeing the bodycam whether the actions of the officer were proportionate or criminal.

Doesnt matter the bodycam, even people on here think George Floyd was murdered after watching the bodycam footage.

 

[Dis86]

So why doesn't this count as a wildcat strike (which is illegal) by the police?

Because firearms officers are volunteers and they're not refusing to police.

 

[LeeUK]

Met police need abolished and new local police forces set up in London.

 

[Efour]

Doesn't matter what evidence there is. This is the UK. The community hate the police, there will be riots on the streets again.
UK is such a unique place still. Extremely low gun crime relatively so anyone breaking that peace should be very harshly punished, executed? Maybe not blatantly but, this is never ever gonna be resolved until after the reviews of footage again... which apparently I assume are supporting the officers case as the family of the suspect didn't want to push charges. Am I confused with another case?

 

[oggiet]

Met police need abolished and new local police forces set up in London.

This.

 

[Malevolence]

Unarmed man killed by a police officer

He wasn't unarmed though was he. 2-ton of Audi is considered a deadly weapon when driven at police.

 

[Freakbro]

Doesnt matter the bodycam, even people on here think George Floyd was murdered after watching the bodycam footage.

Yea and people still maintain the storming of the Capitol was peaceful.

 

[Freakbro]

He wasn't unarmed though was he. 2-ton of Audi is considered a deadly weapon when driven at police.

That's disingenuous at best. You know what armed means in this context.

 

[Uther]

So why doesn't this count as a wildcat strike (which is illegal) by the police?

Because they're not striking?
As someone with a licence I wouldn't be a firearms officer, far too stressful.

 

[danlightbulb]

Deploy firearms teams to a car chase, someone gets shot. Not a surprise really is it.

Person driving car was in a car not owned by him that was linked to firearms activity and ends up getting shot. Also not a surprise.

To make full judgement we would need to know more facts like was he insured to drive it, did he have a licence, did he stop when requested, did he show any aggressive behaviour when stopped. But I'd be surprised if he didn't deserve it.

The police themselves aren't above the law either of course and if they shoot someone during a police incident that justification should be reviewed, but the should get the benefit of the doubt unless there is clear evidence against.

 

[esmozz]

There is a photo widely circulated in the media, showing the aftermath of the shooting from above.

Look at the orientation of the marked police car blocking the road and how the nearside wheel appears to be over the parking area to the side of the road. If it wasn't parked that way then the car was pushed over into the parking area, something which could be borne out by the clear point of collision between the Audi and the police car.

The bullet which killed CK was fired through the front of the car widescreen (you can see that the windscreen is shattered). Imagine a police officer standing to the left of the police car, adjacent to the rear doors, as the Audi tried to force its way past the marked car blocking the road.

 

[firstborn]

Did I accidentally end up in a Xitter thread

...

Hardly an accident, more of an expectation these days.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Blue Ticket holders are very, very hard to replace.

First, you need volunteers which incidents like this where the Met might throw the officer under the bus of public opinion don’t exactly cause floods of.

Then you spend months on psychological and behavioural screening of the volunteers to remove anyone interested in firearms or with a potentially itchy trigger finger. The surviving candidates are then trained to follow the rigorous Rules of Engagement etc. Those who can, then finally get taught to carry firearms safely and shoot accurately.

According to an old mate of mine who was CO18 (armed airport police for a few years), this is the really galling part for all involved as a fair few of the candidates who have so far shown all the attributes needed to become good AFOs turn out to be all thumbs or have zero hand-eye coordination and can’t be trained to carry or use firearms safely and effectively.

The whole process takes around a year and then the new AFOs are under continuous evaluation with regards to their use of protocols, tactics and marksmanship for the rest of their Blue Ticket carrying lives.

 

[StriderX]

Deploy firearms teams to a car chase, someone gets shot. Not a surprise really is it.

Person driving car was in a car not owned by him that was linked to firearms activity and ends up getting shot. Also not a surprise.

To make full judgement we would need to know more facts like was he insured to drive it, did he have a licence, did he stop when requested, did he show any aggressive behaviour when stopped. But I'd be surprised if he didn't deserve it.

The police themselves aren't above the law either of course and if they shoot someone during a police incident that justification should be reviewed, but the should get the benefit of the doubt unless there is clear evidence against.

The police have been given enough 'benefit of the doubt' considering hundreds of them have been sacked for being a criminal with a badge.

 

[oggiet]

Deploy firearms teams to a car chase, someone gets shot. Not a surprise really is it.

Person driving car was in a car not owned by him that was linked to firearms activity and ends up getting shot. Also not a surprise.

To make full judgement we would need to know more facts like was he insured to drive it, did he have a licence, did he stop when requested, did he show any aggressive behaviour when stopped. But I'd be surprised if he didn't deserve it.

The police themselves aren't above the law either of course and if they shoot someone during a police incident that justification should be reviewed, but the should get the benefit of the doubt unless there is clear evidence against.

Get benefit of doubt

 

[throwaway4372]

 

[Sythe79]

Then you spend months on psychological and behavioural screening of the volunteers to remove anyone interested in firearms or with a potentially itchy trigger finger. The surviving candidates are then trained to follow the rigorous Rules of Engagement etc. Those who can, then finally get taught to carry firearms safely and shoot accurately.

It can't be very good screening if over a 100 of them throw a hissy fit, ironically because the law is there to hold people accountable for their actions. Or is it because the Police is filled with people that think they are above everyone else and deserve special treatment.

The officer will get his day in court and if he can justify his actions, he will go free, just like any member of the public. Considering the historical lack of convictions of Police for actions that would get anyone else locked up, he should be confident.