"Hundreds" of Met Police armed response officers hand in the weapons after colleague charged with murder - Chris Kaba Shooting aftermath.

Dis86 said:
Considering he tried to ram them with a car for a start.
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Agreed, kinda.... Remember we only know the info which has been made available to us plebs.

Deadly force, a headshot, should only be used as a last resort.

Were those at risk of being "Audi'd" in the face unable to move?

Is a life worth less than a broken leg?

I'm not saying the shooty rozzer was right or wrong, just that there is clearly much much more going on here that we might never know.
 
oggiet said:
So no punishment if they did get it wrong. This would just encourage those corrupt cops to go for the firearms job knowing they can do what they want. Met police is bad as it is, that would just make it worse.
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No. It would go on record and after an internal review offenders would have the armed response removed.
 
It's a difficult one but i'd hope the CPS have only recommended the murder charge here because they've seen something amongst the evidence collated so far that would suggest genuine wrongdoing and not solely because it technically meets the requirements for a murder charge.

It's pretty rare that police shootings make it as far as a murder charge as far as I can see (from a very brief look), so you'd like to think the CPS have good reason for choosing to take that path rather than manslaughter or another charge.
 
CaNsA said:
Is a life worth less than a broken leg?
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Agreed with what you said except this point tbh, would anyone at the moment of the incident be able to determine that the worst case scenario is just a broken leg?
Dragged under tyres, or over smacking head on windscreen. Or you could roll over the car and be fine. There's no way to know except that there's a possible threat to life.
 
loftie said:
Agreed with what you said except this point tbh, would anyone at the moment of the incident be able to determine that the worst case scenario is just a broken leg?
Dragged under tyres, or over smacking head on windscreen. Or you could roll over the car and be fine. There's no way to know except that there's a possible threat to life.
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Let's apply that logic to every situation and just shoot everyone.
 
A police officer should not be expected to be injured or killed in the line of duty. Self defence will be in play here. Police officers have shot at people only four times in 2022 and deaths are extremely rare.

However one has to remember police killed by criminals in vehicles trying to evade capture like the one dragged by three scumbags in a car. A policewoman was run over and killed trying to make an arrest. A policeman similarly in Liverpool.
 
cheesyboy said:
Bro, it's not the ******* salvation army
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Yes it's not.

And nowhere in the police employment contracts does it state you are required to carry a gun, or that once you have trained to carry one you have to forever more in your police career.
For one thing the Police as an organisation realise that it is incredibly dangerous and stupid to force officers to carry weapons they are unwilling to carry.

IIRC as a police officer pretty much every "specialist" job is at the discretion of the individual, you can step back from pursuit driving, motorcycle unit, firearms etc at pretty much any time as those are all jobs that require you be both able AND willing to do them for them to be done properly and safely and if the officer thinks they cannot do it safely it would be insane to force them to (for one thing the liability to the force if anything goes wrong is exponentially greater if it's shown they forced an officer to do a specific role after the officer had warned that he/she was not confident in their ability).
The employment contract is basically that you are a "police officer" and cannot strike from normal/basic duties, a firearms officer is not a default or normal duty due to the risks and stresses involved.
 
what is the salary premium for being a fire-arms officer, or other specializations.



The lending of the audi car - was it insured then? have you ever let a mate drive your car - wouldn't even know if I was covered 3rd party for any car, only done it on others company cars.

Confusion of identifty of non-white individuals - they have previously said that computer face recognition false positives match white individuals when they artificially reduce white positives,
I've never seen analysis which shows what (trained ?) humans achieve.
 
jpaul said:
what is the salary premium for being a fire-arms officer, or other specializations.
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For firearms, none.

(Edit to add: For a normal PC on a police firearms unit, none. For firearms officers as members of the Diplomatic protection corp, for example, they get paid more)
 
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Yeah......, this thread has gone the same way as nearly every other thread in GD, so I will repeat myself for the benefit of everyone who has quoted my post at the top of this page.
CaNsA said:
Remember we only know the info which has been made available to us plebs.

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I'm not saying the shooty rozzer was right or wrong, just that there is clearly much much more going on here that we might never know.
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The questions I have asked cannot really be answered by anyone here because we do not have the info about this situation needed to answer them.


However, those who would trade a human life to prevent a broken leg.... WOW!
 
loftie said:
Not every situation requires the same response. Your response seems to want to treat vehicles as something that aren't very dangerous.
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Pointless post IMO.

Everything can be considered a dangerous weapon, therefore every situation should require someone to be shot.
 
CaNsA said:
Yeah......, this thread has gone the same way as nearly every other thread in GD, so I will repeat myself for the benefit of everyone who has quoted my post at the top of this page.

The questions I have asked cannot really be answered by anyone here because we do not have the info about this situation needed to answer them.


However, those who would trade a human life to prevent a broken leg.... WOW!
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Where are you imagining this broken leg is coming from? You're assuming being hit with a car results in a broken leg?
 
CaNsA said:
Yeah......, this thread has gone the same way as nearly every other thread in GD, so I will repeat myself for the benefit of everyone who has quoted my post at the top of this page.

The questions I have asked cannot really be answered by anyone here because we do not have the info about this situation needed to answer them.


However, those who would trade a human life to prevent a broken leg.... WOW!
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Who's said they would trade a life to prevent a broken leg? But also it seems you have no idea how the human brain works when your in danger.

If a car is coming to me, and I'm armed, with what looks like intent to cause me serious harm whilst being in a situation that is already getting quite serious then they're probably getting shot. The police also are aware this vehicle is connected to weapons, so if the vehicle is ramming a police officer they have the responsibility to ensure that they don't go on to harm the public. To add, if the police were aware who was driving, that person has a history of violence and being caught with weapons to cause distress.


Your thinking about this in a very one dimensional way.
 
Sure, I'll bite and respond to the two posts above.

How do you know being hit by an Audi would result in more than a broken leg?

How do you know the persons who were allegedly being targeted by the driver of the car were unable to move slightly out of the way?

Lets jump straight to huge massive loss of life ponders and maybe there was an armed nuke in the car.... OMG!

Every one is assuming the worst possible scenario when really people should be waiting for more info.

We only know what info has been spoon-fed to us.

Stay true to form, GD.

o7
 
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