HUNGARORING - BUDAPEST - HUNGARY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 10/17

A slow car of teh racing line. Which happens in many situations for many reasons. A car scrapping along is no problem at all. It's only the skid pan, what do you expect to happen.

As for a lose wheel if you watch racing then you know it does not happen. You get back to the pits and carry on.
 
The FIA is absolutely retarded giving Renault any penalty. As far as I can remember no penalty has been given for lose wheel nuts resulting the wheel coming off. Change the rules and make the teams aware of them. Before punishing something that used to be fine. Totally ridiculous.
 
Why are people completely missing the difference between a wheel nut coming loose they think is secure and one you know isn't on when you release the car.

Were the other incidences like that though?
Seeing as we've had wheels full of at the end of the pit lane before.
 
I cant remember the exact details - but considering Surtees death and Massa accident, they should be considerably more cautious with ANY kind of potential debris

After all remember at the point where Alonso had to go round for a whole lap at a fraction of the speed he was out of the race / points anyway so yur endangering people for no good reason at all after coming out of the pits

but that requires rule changes or the FIA to say we will use existing rules more than we used to. Until then, teams have no choice but to continue to do what they have always done before. It doesn't matter if he is out the points. They have sponsors to keep happy and data on the car to be collected. Especially with no testing. Which means they have a very good reason to carry on.
 
And the sponsors are going to be happy if they are associated with another accident - no I very much doubt they are.

The team arent likely to get viable data from a damaged car, they know whats likely to happen (even Brundle knew in the commentary a lap before Alonso actually retired) so the team sure as **** knew

What. Plenty of cars have gone on to finish a race after having three wheels. After all the only likely damage is the skid pan.

So no it's not as stupid as you make out.
 
Are you suggesting that someone should only ever be penalised for breaking a safety rule if someone else has been penalised previously? How does that work exactly :confused:

yes, unless the FIA clarify it.
Don't you think it is ridiculous that the FIA pull rules out that they haven't enforced before with no warning. (that might not be the case here due to the wheel aeros being a give away). It sets a president and this is why so many of us are annoyed with the FIA. They are not consistent both with incidents and what the punishment received is.
 
:rolleyes: the incident is similar to previous ones. but maybe different to the aero.

yes, unless the FIA clarify it.
Don't you think it is ridiculous that the FIA pull rules out that they haven't enforced before with no warning. (that might not be the case here due to the wheel aeros being a give away). It sets a president and this is why so many of us are annoyed with the FIA. They are not consistent both with incidents and what the punishment received is.
 
Show me another situation where a team has knowingly sent a dangerous car out onto track and made no attempt to prevent it leaving the track or even inform the driver of the risk....

Well if you didn't notice that's what I asked about a few posts ago. If this situation was different to many other similar incedients. To which the reply seemed to be yes, due to the aero being a give away.

However I can't remember the exact surroundings on previous lose nuts, as they were non incidents apart from being embarrassing and it would be interesting to see a comparison between them.
 
It's not that everyone loves them, just thats were the money will be in the not too distant future.
When we are forced to drive Green cars, I think people will wish KERS had been developed to its optimum.

Under current rules they can't perfect kers. IMO. f1 needs a massive rule change to include any type of fuel source. If companies want to devlop an electric car that is faster, let them.

Just have limits say on fuel weight. Be it liquid,gas,electric or whatever.
 
Why would we need a team to field 3 cars. we have 13 teams for next year. So even if 2 of the new teams and bmw drop out we still have a 20 car grid. As well as some of ther other teams that were rejected might step in.
 
Honda were taken over by an employee. If a rejected F1 team were to come in now they'd not be taking over BMW in the same way as they weren't working for BMW.

It would be very similar. I imagine it would be cheaper for BMW to sale than just to pack up.

But anyway, there's more than enough cars for a 20+ grid without running 3 cars.
 
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