i am sick , a man died in front of me

ive seen so many gory things some i cannot even say as it would gross you out. but at the end of the day its a human body its not the fact of blood and guts for me its the fact its someone being killed infront of your eyes.
 
Sic said:
i never inferred even for a second that she did.
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My bad - it just came across that way :)
dirtydog said:
Sure, because they realise they're riding a deathtrap and the slightest most innocuous accident even at low speed could very easily result in death or serious injury.
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I think you need to get some information rather than relying on supposition.
dirtydog said:
I think it's a bit simplistic to blame car drivers for not seeing bikes, when bikes are hard to spot.
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That is ridiculous! Would you argue that if someone pulled out in front of your car because they didn't see you, that you should have been driving a Transit because a car is harder to spot?

No matter who you are or what you're driving, it's your responsibility to make sure it's safe to execute a manouevre. If you find it difficult to see a smaller vehicle then make sure that it's safe or get your eyes tested, whichever is appropriate. Or stop driving. In general, not personally that is.
dirtydog said:
I've also seen plenty of bikes without their headlight on, even in dim light, which seems suicidal to me.
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Hmm, not sure on this one. Plenty in what sense? As a proportion, most ride with their lights on 24/7 simply because it makes you more visible. Around dusk I see many cars who haven't realised(?) that the streetlights are starting to come on - proportionally more than the number of bikes I see with no lights on.
 
When I was about 18 I saw a motorcyclist come off his bike which was brand new and the leathers were brand new. I stayed with him until the ambulance came and took him away. He obviously didn't talk but groaned. Later on that night I found out it was my mate and I didn't know about his new bike and he died a day later.

In 2000 I did the Potteries Marathon in 32degC and even spectators were fainting and being carried off. I got to 13 miles and watched the runner in front of me keel over and die. I took my time after that and stayed hydrated and wet.
 
I was once working in Cardiff and saw someone jump off a multi storey car park roof and that image has stayed with me, be careful mate, you may suffer PTSD....
 
Treefrog said:
That is ridiculous! Would you argue that if someone pulled out in front of your car because they didn't see you, that you should have been driving a Transit because a car is harder to spot?
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No because a car is bigger than a bike.

No matter who you are or what you're driving, it's your responsibility to make sure it's safe to execute a manouevre. If you find it difficult to see a smaller vehicle then make sure that it's safe
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I do try to do just that.. but I'm only human.

Hmm, not sure on this one. Plenty in what sense? As a proportion, most ride with their lights on 24/7 simply because it makes you more visible. Around dusk I see many cars who haven't realised(?) that the streetlights are starting to come on - proportionally more than the number of bikes I see with no lights on.
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I don't disagree, in fact it is one of my pet hates about driving that probably 50-75% of drivers do not put their HEADLIGHTS on in dim light, or fog.. they either drive with no lights, or side lights. I mean for the love of god, what use is side lights..
 
In 1971, I was going for my interview at BA for an apprenticeship, and while I was on the platform at the underground station, a man staggered down the stairs, saw the train about to pull in, and threw himself in front of it, Very messy, and I threw up on the platform. I got to the interview as white as a sheet and shaking all over, but I still passed and got the placing. Will never forget the scene.
 
The accidents of this type are all 2 common I am afraid. I used 2 be a biker but never again.
 
i have seen lots of accidents involving bikers , never a dead person though , but this wont put me off riding a bike . I am riding bikes since i am 15 and will do so till i physically cant ride.

Records in this country show that it is the car that made motorcycle a dangerous mean to travel. I have been blocked many times when driving in lanes by idiots who simply dont have any idea of what is going on arounf them , they either smoke or talk in the cell phone or pump 100 dB of music. I know i hae to deal with bad drivers all the time and i am fully concentrated on the road when riding my bike , but car drivers should be as careful as i am or at least more careful than they are on average

"i didnt see you" isnt an excuse , it is an indication of poor driving skills.
 
It isn't just other vehicles which make bikes more dangerous is it. If you lose control due to a slippery road, chances are you will be seriously hurt. In a car you have a much better chance of being uninjured. I have had a few accidents and touch wood, have never been injured. If I'd had the same accidents on a bike, I would be dead.
 
dirtydog said:
No because a car is bigger than a bike.
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And a Transit is bigger than a car and thus easier to spot. Not sure where you're going with this?
dirtydog said:
I do try to do just that.. but I'm only human.
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Thank you - you're doing more than most.
dirtydog said:
I don't disagree, in fact it is one of my pet hates about driving that probably 50-75% of drivers do not put their HEADLIGHTS on in dim light, or fog.. they either drive with no lights, or side lights. I mean for the love of god, what use is side lights..
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Abso-bloomin'-lutely! And then drive round with just their fogs on when it's a clear night.:rolleyes:

Sidelights? Also known as parking lights I believe? ;)

dirtydog said:
If you lose control due to a slippery road, chances are you will be seriously hurt.
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Again, so much would depend on the situation. I lost the front end on black ice once, slid for about 100' on my arse and had only a wet patch to show for it.
 
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I have seen some pretty nasty sights and although some stick in my mind sometimes, I have other outlets for such things, these forums being one.

Also, if I don't know the person, I can after some time switch off and forget about it but I come back to when I lost my dad which when it is someone you know it is a profoundly different matter.

If these images still haunt you the I can only suggest that you seek counselling about it and there is no shame in that whatsoever. You are only human, not an emotionless android, and the associated frailties come with that

I could say more but not on the forums. My MSN is in trust if you want.
 
i once saw a little boy after he had been knocked over by a landrover, he was laid in the middle of the road all blue :( was horrible

lucky as far as i know he lived
 
ive seen a guy going about 30mph on a mountain bike dodge a car that reversed out of a space without looking, he had about 1m of space and drifted through it, then he went of like it didnt happen, you would have to be incredibly skilled to get out of that imo.
 
Ill be first to admit ive almost taken out a bike when driving.
It was a bright sunny day and they guy came around a sharp corner and he just blended into the surroundings and i juts didnt see him until just before he went past which had me loosen up going around the corner and lose my line and to make sure i wouldnt collect him. Because i had lost my line half way through the corner it was a bloody fight to make sure i wouldnt end up in the bushes on the other side when i was coming out of it.
He didnt have his light on by the why which would have help to see him much easyer.
I dont think it even phased him though :confused:

If this was a car i would have seen it so much easyer and sooner, well before i even arrived to the corner i would have spotted the car but the bike and the rider just blended in.(he was wearing dark colours and was ridding a dark bike with no head light so that could have something to do with it)

This doesnt mean im blinde and i can see most things when im driving clearly, it just means in some situations its harder to see a bike in places where u would see a car no matter how hard you look:(
 
Zip said:
If this was a car i would have seen it so much easier and sooner, well before i even arrived to the corner i would have spotted the car but the bike and the rider just blended in.(he was wearing dark colours and was riding a dark bike with no head light so that could have something to do with it)

This doesn't mean im blind and i can see most things clearly when i'm driving, it just means in some situations its harder to see a bike in places where you would see a car no matter how hard you look:(
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I cant help wondering; if you didn't see the bike because it was dark and the rider was wearing dark clothes (I assume this means he blended into the background?), why are you confident that you would see a dark car?

I say this from finding it difficult to see "titanium" or "graphite" or "whatever it's called this year" coloured cars against the tarmac when driving a lorry with the sun behind me. Dark car against a dark background with the sun behind them = hard to see.

Maybe drivers of dark cars should be forced to drive with their headlights on so other road users can see them? ;)
 
The best advice I ever had when I passed my bike test was "always be paranoid of everyone else all of the time".

Even so, I've been travelling along at 30mph and had a car pull out from a sidestreet and avoiding sideswiping me by about 10cm. On a daily basis lorries and vans will 'miss me' and pull out while I'm going around roundabouts (this is early AM with my headlights on).

Oh, and today I had some Jackass hightop van driver running up my arse so I couldnt see the outside lane which I needed to get into.
 
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