I don't understand Sony!
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HDCP doesnt seem to be a worry for Microsoft, maybe they know something we dont, but just like HD satellite in the States which has been going for quite sometime you cant grow a new format if you create ways such as HDCP that will put people off.
Lets face it Microsoft are a major player for HD DVD and will not only ensure the format grows via X360 as the cheapest route to gaining HD DVD but also in how its being supported in Vista.
Now as a studio do you want to release HDCP on your titles and prevent everyone thats purchased the 360 HD-DVD drive and a massive world market that still wont have HDCP compatible displays (VGA & Component connections) from purchasing your titles.
I really do not see how Blu Ray will every catch up this lost ground and the same goes with the X360, why and how would the PS3 suddenly start selling better?
Lets face it Microsoft are a major player for HD DVD and will not only ensure the format grows via X360 as the cheapest route to gaining HD DVD but also in how its being supported in Vista.
Now as a studio do you want to release HDCP on your titles and prevent everyone thats purchased the 360 HD-DVD drive and a massive world market that still wont have HDCP compatible displays (VGA & Component connections) from purchasing your titles.
I really do not see how Blu Ray will every catch up this lost ground and the same goes with the X360, why and how would the PS3 suddenly start selling better?
At the end of the day we all have to wait a decent length of time AFTER the PS3 is released before we know whether its aduck thats sunk or an elegantly swimming swan ( or a soaring dove for that matter 
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Even then that will only be an indicator as to whether each format will succeed or not
Picture quality at its best on both formats (which for that kind of device in my opinion is paramount) is stated to be roughly equal, just like DVD however there are some pressings or encodings or whatever that show up real problems - it will be a case of individual films or production companies for each format doing each disc type justice (or not)
There will be combo drives in the near future which will make this arguement pointless, as I am sure these will become much more common than individual type of drives (both in a pc and under the telly types)
I really was shocked Sony killed of Aibo, it was such a genuine niche product and completely adorable
)Even then that will only be an indicator as to whether each format will succeed or not
Picture quality at its best on both formats (which for that kind of device in my opinion is paramount) is stated to be roughly equal, just like DVD however there are some pressings or encodings or whatever that show up real problems - it will be a case of individual films or production companies for each format doing each disc type justice (or not)
There will be combo drives in the near future which will make this arguement pointless, as I am sure these will become much more common than individual type of drives (both in a pc and under the telly types)
I really was shocked Sony killed of Aibo, it was such a genuine niche product and completely adorable
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people love playstations. They will sell out on launch when they are extortionate, and they will sell tremendously more once the price goes down. Though sony handle the situation badly, their product will be too desirable for the masses not to adopt it.
In terms of the ps3 itself, sony are not in any trouble. In turn, the blu ray format isn't in a dire situation. Do you think the majority of the population give a schieze if the format uses inferior codecs, they couldn't tell the difference even if you explained it to them with both types of media running side by side. Unless people actually decidd to boycott the console, on a large scale to make a point, which will never be the case, then sony will have a great success regardless of their idiocy.
In terms of the ps3 itself, sony are not in any trouble. In turn, the blu ray format isn't in a dire situation. Do you think the majority of the population give a schieze if the format uses inferior codecs, they couldn't tell the difference even if you explained it to them with both types of media running side by side. Unless people actually decidd to boycott the console, on a large scale to make a point, which will never be the case, then sony will have a great success regardless of their idiocy.
devilkazuya said:
I actually think you are wrong - not on the side of the ps3 as a games console, yes that may well sell out all over the place even though Europe yet again is being treated like **** by Sony
I am thinking more about Hidef movies, if people see Blu-ray and HD-DVD running on a decent screen and one is a lot better than the other, of course they will choose the better one. Of course depending on the store there could be potential for "hd-dvd bargian" advertising instore with a decent encoded hd-dvd against a poorly encoded 1st gen blu-ray (this is just an example of what could happen) to push more of one type
Energize said:
Sorry how doesnt it?
If HDCP is implemented on HD-DVD titles then you will get a blank screen or a downgraded 480p display from the source depending how they flag the security.
This goes for every HD-DVD player connected in anything but HDMI not just the X360, so again i ask is it likely to see HDCP being implemented by the studios on such a new format.
This defeats the whole purpose of someone buying your product.
About 99% of HDTVs sold so far do not have DVI/HDMI compatible with HDCP particulary in the USA which has enjoyed HDTV for many years.
Regards the £199 price for the X360 drive that was only a suggested retail possibility it hasnt as yet been confirmed what the UK price will be.
Furthermore the reason the HD DVD drive is SO cheap in Japan is because Sony reduced the cost of the 20GB PS3 and included it with HDMI meaning Mocrosoft had to reduce the cost of a X360 and HD DVD bundle to keep in with the Blu Ray Vs HD DVD battle.
Its nice to keep you upto speed lads...
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Energize said:
Who/Where told you that?
What if certain tvs cant handle this resolution?
Are you sure this isnt interlaced meaning it will look just like our standard PAL 720 × 576 DVDs
Still hardly a reason to purchase a HD DVD player (of any kind) and then more expensive HD DVD discs to have it look very simular than your standard DVD.
I admit its all a mess but its down to the individual studios what they do with HDCP
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Interesting HDCP News
"In fact, in America it’s reckoned that as many as 7 million TV owners could find themselves in this nightmare scenario. What’s more, it’s possible that many of these people are early adopters – the sort of people who make a new technology like HD DVD fly. So the last thing Hollywood should be doing is alienating them through OTT digital rights management measures."
"In fact, in America it’s reckoned that as many as 7 million TV owners could find themselves in this nightmare scenario. What’s more, it’s possible that many of these people are early adopters – the sort of people who make a new technology like HD DVD fly. So the last thing Hollywood should be doing is alienating them through OTT digital rights management measures."
As far as I remember they can't choose to disable playback, enabling the ict only downsamples. Would be fantastic though if movie studies didn't use hdcp. It would mean a lot of wasted money for the companies that developed the protection, hopefully they'll learn that this form of copy protection has just gone to far. 
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So how does HDCP and downsampling not effect sales regards your earlier comment.
"It doesn't prevent people from buying them, it's still better quality than dvd even if you don't have hdcp but its not hd."
Im curious if youd purchase a HD DVD player and Discs to have it at 960x540 when your DVds 720x 576, seems like sure way of making your product not very attractive?
I still say THAT indeed does help prevent sales, you might think differently.
"It doesn't prevent people from buying them, it's still better quality than dvd even if you don't have hdcp but its not hd."
Im curious if youd purchase a HD DVD player and Discs to have it at 960x540 when your DVds 720x 576, seems like sure way of making your product not very attractive?
I still say THAT indeed does help prevent sales, you might think differently.
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Mr Latte said:
It's not a huge effect on sales because the quality is still higher than dvd, and people will eventually buy a player anyway when they do get a hdcp tv or maybe buy one in preperation for when they do get a hdcp tv, it's unlikely that the consumers will know about this anyway.
Taking onboard better compression etc thats hardly a lot of difference in resolution now is it, and would be practically identical to a DVD.
You still miss the point you made that it doesnt restrict sales and studios are in no position to adopt it yet as i mentioned and as a studio that did imnplement it your clearly saying to all those people that purchased the required hardware and by no fault of their own do not have HDCP compatible display that its tough luck, is that a way to promote a format?
Cant see it happening for sometime tbh
You still miss the point you made that it doesnt restrict sales and studios are in no position to adopt it yet as i mentioned and as a studio that did imnplement it your clearly saying to all those people that purchased the required hardware and by no fault of their own do not have HDCP compatible display that its tough luck, is that a way to promote a format?
Cant see it happening for sometime tbh
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Yes i read their was a 4 year hold being put on it, this takes us all to digital displays considering the prices keep falling and by then the 3rd Xbox installment will be due. So downsampling is not going to be happening then for the general consumer with non HDCP tellys.
Err regards 32MB/s thats at the full resolution if you downsample then the average MB/s will be a lot less, just like proper HDTV is approx 16-20MBs yet a Divx conversion downsampled is a lot less although still good enough quality (like DVD) however not as good as the 1080i or 720p source. I can only relate this to HDTV material thus far that ive seen.
So does this clear up the HDCP problems?
Err regards 32MB/s thats at the full resolution if you downsample then the average MB/s will be a lot less, just like proper HDTV is approx 16-20MBs yet a Divx conversion downsampled is a lot less although still good enough quality (like DVD) however not as good as the 1080i or 720p source. I can only relate this to HDTV material thus far that ive seen.
So does this clear up the HDCP problems?
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