I liked Windows 8 after the first install and the only reason I uninstalled it was because I needed IE9 to run on it without issues, but that changed when I set up dual boot, so now I can open each OS. I like the new layout of W8 to be honest, a fresh look from the same old Windows of the past, yes it's a pain to use at the start but its learned easily and for me the perfect setup is dual booting with W7.
I had no choice...
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Fair enough and I can fully understand the feeling of wanting to try something different or just have something new.
Windows 7 is 5 years old but I don't think it shows its age at all though. I mean, the UI elements, Aero and so on are still modern looking unlike Windows Vista which has that colourful vibrancy to it and the performance is still great on a modern system so if it works well still then I'd never even consider upgrading it until absolutely necessary
oh I agree, Windows 7 for me is still the most user friendly and best used Microsoft OS. I know Microsoft didn't want to create just another Windows 7, but they could have done a much better job with 8.
Kernel Hibernation is spot on, as is the performance improvements, security updates and the like. However, its obvious they are trying to create some tight eco system with linking in tablets, phone, xbox etc etc.....the problem is it's all a bit rubbish....and, stinks of Microsoft. You can cover your face with make-up, but if your ugly your ugly.
What they should have done is taken 7, bolted on the 8 performance and security improvement and done the following:
left out metro
redesign windows updates
internet restore using pre-patched image (like apple does with mavericks)
integrate social media straight to desktop
integrate Skype and one drive straight to desktop
integrate MS app store straight to desktop in a sandbox env (think they are actually doing this with update 1)
Then create a new metro os for tablets and phones
What annoys me most about Microsoft at the minute
No consistency across any of their products (even websites do not follow a single design). How come google chrome works better on microsofts website than IE?
No £50 xbox media streamer. How on earth is that bringing consumers to the platform?
Two versions of IE? desktop mode and metro mode
No wonder joe public are confused.Windows 8 for power users is slower than Windows 7. I've debated this, and proven using a VPN connection setup that 7 is 70% faster than 8. This is due to losing the desktop space when going to metro and back again. Plus once you lose metro, your on screen settings are gone so you have to navigate all the way back to find them.
Trouble with that is, there's little point in upgrading to Win8+Start8 if you already have a Win7 licence.
That's true ,however you do get the improved security and extra new features with Win8/8.1,as to usage its very easy to use IMHO,problem is a lot of users still need to be spoon fed
In the old days on DOS they would have not lasted five minutes if they think Win8 is hard.
i quite like win8,but in the end i went back to win7 because there was far to manysoftware compatilbilty issue,s,nearly every one of my programes had issues and a lot of games,real shame as i like the layout,feels realy fast aswell,why is there still so many compatilbilty problems,win8 has been out long enough,so shouldnt have so many problems
I've had no problems with drivers or games,UPlay,Origin,Steam etc all fine.
All my USB 2.0 and 3.0 work fine, lan,wireless,bluetooth even to my TV and phone all working great.
To be honest I can't ask for a more stable system and as a Linux user as well don't say that lightly for Win8.1.
I take issue with the idea that people think that an OS not being discoverable by normal people is somehow acceptable. Lots of things are very powerful but also easy to use, and this is achieved either by following a convention, or just by being well designed.
If people need to put effort in to learn how to use Windows 8 and decide after a certain amount of time that the outcome doesn't justify the investment required then this isn't the fault of the user for being "stupid", it's the fault of the software.
If people need to put effort in to learn how to use Windows 8 and decide after a certain amount of time that the outcome doesn't justify the investment required then this isn't the fault of the user for being "stupid", it's the fault of the software.
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Windows 8 + classic shell perfect.
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as has been said, 8.1, boot to desktop, uninstall the pos 'app' version of skype and put the proper desktop version on, classicshell or some equivalent, this turns it into effectively a faster booting w7
then realise some of the split screen/multi monitor things are pretty nifty [dont work too well on a 1366*768 screen but i can see their benefit for better setups] start to use them and profit. although microsoft missed a trick, instead of 'apps' they should have allowed multiple desktops with the same system.
this is from someone who thought exactly the same as you, but have been forced by circumstance this past few weeks to use it and tbh i'd almost consider installing it on my main rig, and indeed today i actually found myself reccomending it to mother dearest when she's considering refreshing her laptop.
wireless manager is slightly broken though
then realise some of the split screen/multi monitor things are pretty nifty [dont work too well on a 1366*768 screen but i can see their benefit for better setups] start to use them and profit. although microsoft missed a trick, instead of 'apps' they should have allowed multiple desktops with the same system.
this is from someone who thought exactly the same as you, but have been forced by circumstance this past few weeks to use it and tbh i'd almost consider installing it on my main rig, and indeed today i actually found myself reccomending it to mother dearest when she's considering refreshing her laptop.
wireless manager is slightly broken though
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There's too much change between windows 7 and windows 8.1. For end users who don't know what to do learning it can be very difficult.
For OSX it's a good move that Apple haven't changed much in terms of operation making it a better OS now for end users that have used SL + L + ML and moved onto Mavericks.
Keeping operating systems changes to a minimal is better than going for a whole change of gui for end users.
For OSX it's a good move that Apple haven't changed much in terms of operation making it a better OS now for end users that have used SL + L + ML and moved onto Mavericks.
Keeping operating systems changes to a minimal is better than going for a whole change of gui for end users.
Old days I remember DOS to Win3.11 to Win95,complete UI changes, only Win95 to 7 where it seemed to be stuck in ground hog day,I like change and new ideas especially if it's nearly twenty years old UI design.
I think users can adapt to changes etc ,they don't need to be spoon fed all their life.
I'll will agree they could have pointed out the changes with a better tutorial for beginners new to Win8 ,however it's STILL a simple Windows OS and very far from rocket science.
Show me any modern Windows that is hard to learn?..Fact is there are none unless you count some obscure Linux distros.