I predict a Riot

Rubbish.

It’s nothing to do with rich bankers but to do with the country living way beyond its means for decades. Then a decade of huge government borrowing and spending has brought the country to the precipice of bankruptcy. They are all to blame.

"Living beyond their means for decades"

Sounds a bit like Britain, Ireland, Spain, France..........

But don't worry once they have screwed Greece down to third world standards we will be next or the one after next.
 
I don't think citing a somewhat arrogant and elitist opinion from nearly a century ago reflects current politics.

Even when he's right? The average citizen is incredibly stupid, misinformed and incapable of holding a coherent opinion or evaluating a proposition critically.

There was a reason why, when democracy was first developed, not everyone was a demo.
 
I don't think citing a somewhat arrogant and elitist opinion from nearly a century ago reflects current politics.

It's rather a sad state of affairs, but regardless of when those words were said, it doesn't make them any less true. And besides, a modern politician would simply guard such thoughts and wouldn't dare utter the words aloud. It's all about appearances over substance these days it seems.
 
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The current government has been put in place because of the actions of previous governments over the last 30 years or so.

If anything, the current protests highlight the real problem with democracy, the vast majority of the population are idiots.

Who put the current government in place?
 
thats if germany doesnt send it back wanting more savings again.

Well, it wasn't that they wanted more, they wanted what they asked for originally...

They'll also want concrete guarantees that the program will be stuck to for the duration, which isn't really surprising...
 
I wonder if this gets reported on the mainstream Propaganda machines.. Err sorry I mean "media" stations

Why do people like you always say 'Oh, I bet this will NEVER be reported by the mainstream media' about news stories which are, in fact, already being plastered all over the mainstream media?

Don't you ever check first to see if the mainstream media is covering it before leaping to your keyboard, or do you prefer to broadcast your ignorance for all to see?

in Greece? Brussels beauracrats.

Alternatively, for those of us who prefer a truthful, real world answer: the voting Greek public. There was an election in 2009 and it did not involve Brussels bureaucrats.
 
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Alternatively, for those of us who prefer a truthful, real world answer: the voting Greek public. There was an election in 2009 and it did not involve Brussels bureaucrats.

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The 2009 government is long gone.

The EU installed a provisional government a few months ago. The former head of the European Central Bank is currently Prime Minister.
 
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Why do people like you always say 'Oh, I bet this will NEVER be reported by the mainstream media' about news stories which are, in fact, already being plastered all over the mainstream media?

Don't you ever check first to see if the mainstream media is covering it before leaping to your keyboard, or do you prefer to broadcast your ignorance for all to see?



Alternatively, for those of us who prefer a truthful, real world answer: the voting Greek public. There was an election in 2009 and it did not involve Brussels bureaucrats.

oh dear, did someone forget to check their facts again?
 
What next for Greece? Suck it up and try to go back to normality?

Normality for the Greeks was a 5 hour working day getting paid absurd money for that!

I would say back to reality rather than normality :D

That would be us if Labour had stayed in much longer, spend spend spend oh **** we have nothing left!
 
The 2009 government is no longer in power.

Yes it is. The only difference is that PASOK has now merged with other parties to form a coalition government.

The EU installed a provisional government a few months ago.

No it didn't. The coalition government was formed by the Greek political parties themselves:

On November 6, Prime Minister George Papandreou met with opposition leaders to try to reach an agreement on the formation of an interim government, after a narrow confidence vote win in parliament.

A day earlier, the leader of the opposition New Democracy party Antonis Samaras had rejected the proposal and called for an immediate election. After Papandreou agreed to step aside, however, the two leaders announced their intention to form a national unity government that would allow the EU bailout to proceed and pave the way for elections on 19 February 2012.

The Communist Party and the Coalition of the Radical Left Party, refused Papandreou's invitation to join talks on a new unity government. After several days of intense negotiations, the two major parties along with the Popular Orthodox Rally agreed to form a grand coalition headed by former European Central Bank vice-president Lucas Papademos.

On November 10, George Papandreou formally resigned as Prime Minister of Greece, and the new coalition cabinet and Prime Minister Lucas Papademos formally sworn in on 11 November 2011.

(Source).

The mandate for this was granted by Greece's own party leaders. Elections were subsequently scheduled for April this year. Where are the mysterious 'Brussells bureaucrats'? Nowhere to be seen.

The former head of the European Central Bank is currently Prime Minister.

Lucas Papademos was only Vice President of the ECB. He was never the head. Before that he had spent 8 years as Governor of the Bank of Greece.

oh dear, did someone forget to check their facts again?

Don't worry Dolph, you'll get there eventually. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I don't suppose you'd like to give us any evidence that the current Greek government was simply appointed in ad hoc fashion by 'Brussels bureaucrats'? Bearing in mind what's already been posted...
 
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so your argument is that, even though the government now in place has no real resemblance to what was voted for and has a technocrat head who never stood for any form of office, it was still elected in 2009 and the troika had absolutely no involvement or approval in the situation at all?

Did you take classes in talking utter crap or is it pure natural talent?
 
Pointless politics, the Greek people obviously aren't going to just sit down and take it any more, so the only point to this bill is to make it seem as though things are moving, which is quite counter productive and embarrassing.

There is no difference between Greece and any other nation in the EU, it just simply went further over the edge than most, one which all nations are teetering on at the moment.

Each nation has a government that has totally lost any sense of relevance and control, a population that simply doesn't care until its far too late, massive social problems.

The elephant in the room however is that frankly everyone has already decided the EU is dead, push comes to shove and it will eventually end up a reality.
 
The CBI has said we're going see growth for the last quarter of 2011 and won't be entering a recession. Makes me so glad to be British, looking at all this Greek malarky. We slam our politicians a lot, but they seem to be doing just alright compared to pretty much the rest of the EU.
 
The CBI has said we're going see growth for the last quarter of 2011 and won't be entering a recession. Makes me so glad to be British, looking at all this Greek malarky. We slam our politicians a lot, but they seem to be doing just alright compared to pretty much the rest of the EU.

I cannot accept this as anything other than sarcasm unfortunately, the only people to congratulate with a thing like the economy are the people who actually work, not someone who apparently has a job for life if he/she shuts up and allows the big politicians to play a silly board game with people.


At the very least the Greeks have finally saw their error (albeit a bit late for any praise) and stood up for themselves for once.

The closest thing to that here in the UK are people who think they have to hid behind a 400 year old icon to get their point across, absolutely pathetic.

This isn't like any past recessions, oh no, its hidden in a mist of economic formula and contrived morons in apparently elected power spouting bull from every corner of Westminster (Oh and there are a lot of corners in that cesspool of neglect and desynchronization with the electorate).

The term recession nowadays is about as relevant as using WTI as a marker of Oil price.

Whether people like it or not, they have to face the consequences of their actionless behaviour sooner or later.
 
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