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If 3rd Gen Threadripper requires a new motherboard, will you still upgrade?
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Very true, it's all about that CPU IMC. Same ram and x370 motherboard: The 2700x gives me 2933Mhz, the 3900x gets 3600Mhz.
True, but decent PCB traces help as well. The higher-end B450 and X470 boards will have the PCB quality to support a good IMC, but one of the engineering points of X570 was the overall ramp up of PCB quality.
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I've changed my mind about upgrading to Threadripper 3, I might just settle for the increased IPC on the Ryzen 3950x. TR3 turned out to be too expensive, too hot and the confirmation of lack of backward compatibility disappointed me more than I thought it would when I take into consideration all the other factors. Even then the non-HEDT Ryzen 3950x is too expensive, it really is. AMD are teetering towards the dark side with that pricing as far as I'm concerned. The TR1 offered something above and beyond what we'd seen before, and the prices were nowhere as obscene as Intel, now AMD have started to go in the wrong direction and it's £750 for a desktop chip that has the same core count as their original HEDT lineup which was around the same price (eventually).
In fact, I might just stick with TR1 because of the quad channel RAM slots which are full to capacity, PCI-E lanes and NVMe slots choc-a-block.
I paid £700-800 for the top 1950x in the first gen Threadripper, and £450 for a motherboard to slot it in. Now I'm probably looking at £700-800+ just for the motherboard and 2 grand for the flagship CPU? Nah, I'm out. I'm probably not their target customer as I just like overkill for as little as I can get it rather than content creation at any price. TR1 fulfilled my wish, TR2 had too high a core count for my needs (32 core ran too hot) and minimal IPC increase so I didn't really need to upgrade. TR3 is too pricey, still only offers up to 32 cores for that higher price and doesn't seem to have much power advantage; plus they've done the old Intel motherboard pin switcheroo.
In fact, I might just stick with TR1 because of the quad channel RAM slots which are full to capacity, PCI-E lanes and NVMe slots choc-a-block.
I paid £700-800 for the top 1950x in the first gen Threadripper, and £450 for a motherboard to slot it in. Now I'm probably looking at £700-800+ just for the motherboard and 2 grand for the flagship CPU? Nah, I'm out. I'm probably not their target customer as I just like overkill for as little as I can get it rather than content creation at any price. TR1 fulfilled my wish, TR2 had too high a core count for my needs (32 core ran too hot) and minimal IPC increase so I didn't really need to upgrade. TR3 is too pricey, still only offers up to 32 cores for that higher price and doesn't seem to have much power advantage; plus they've done the old Intel motherboard pin switcheroo.
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As I keep saying to people. The old AMD are long gone. The current AMD are a lot more like Intel then their old selves imo. If they dominate the market they will charge more and more. I mean what is a company anyway, just the people who run it, which change all the time. A lot, if not all the management that make such decisions are long gone from 15 years ago.
I do not even blame them, they nearly died and were on life support for ages. They need to fill those coffers while they can. Lol.
They needed to make a big statement when introducing Threadripper and they did with the price. Now they have a lot of mindshare they can start raking in the big profits. From a consumer point of view even I am disappointed at the price of the 3950X, but it is what it is and end of the day it is still better than what Intel offer so cannot exactly complain.
For my needs the 3600 is plenty. Depending on what is on offer when they bring out the AM5 platform I will either pass this system along to my partner and buy that or stick with it for a while and pop in a 4900X into my mobo once I can get one for a decent price on members market or when they do the discount sales as they are getting rid of old inventory
What I think the problem is, is AMD did well bringing 16 core Threadripper and smashing price for performance in that sector. People just expect them to continue doing it year on year which is obviously not going to happen. It is a shame tough, would be great if they did for us consumers.
I think the thing that disappointed me the most is a lack of motherboards with reasonable pcie slot counts. I was hoping to be able to consolidate 2 pcs into one. With a graphics cards necessary most boards are down to 3 slots add in 10g networking 2 slots. Then add in an extra raid card and sas expander and we are done. If I have to change motherboard there are intel options with significantly higher expansion counts. I’m sure I’m in the minority but I use the system for data analytics etc. It seems with all the pcie lanes the cpus have the only option is to have 4x16 slots. I have looked for breakout systems, even for my gen1 system but these are imo a convoluted solution.
Most X399 boards come with 5-6 PCIE slots, the max you can fit on a ATX board is 7. 10g networking is available onboard and so is 10+ SATA ports.
I am in the same boat. New threadripper is much more expensive than I anticipated and with manufacturers just randomly hiking prices to consumers it was bound to happen. Apple, nvidia and now AMD.
But for those of you that use cores I would rather take old generation 24 core cup rather than 16 core 3950x, the extra cores will run around any IPC or Clock gains in multi threaded applications.
But for those of you that use cores I would rather take old generation 24 core cup rather than 16 core 3950x, the extra cores will run around any IPC or Clock gains in multi threaded applications.
TRX40 offers 20 Sata and probably 40g networking. I think we’ll see some interesting TRX40 boards as the platform is pretty epic.
I originally intended to upgrade my 1920X to a 16 core 3rd gen threadripper if the improvement in IPC/clock speeds was significant enough. I'm not happy about the change from x399 considering how expensive it was. I need too many PCIe lanes to move from HEDT which means I'm pretty much stuck with what I have as I'm loathed to replace the processor and motherboard. Similar to @fish, I need a minimum of 4 pcie slots, ideally 5. Two x16, one 8x and two 1x in addition to a pair of M.2. (50 lanes needed)
Sounds like there is quite a few of us in the same position, not really needing more cores but wanting more CPU performance, I say want rather than need as actually, not a lot struggles with my gen 1, but I would have dropped in a 3rd gen as it appears to be a decent improvement, I skipped 2nd gen TR as the jump in CPU performance was just not a good enough of a bump for price.
Therein lies the issue, I have a board i am happy with, I have all the expanison i require for now, with the drop in replacement of ryzen 3 I hoped for the same for threadripper and unfortunately that is not the case. The new boards may have every new feature under the sun but they don't match what i need. Now that AMD are competative the price has gone north significantly and Intel once again is in the picture especially with boards like the x299 sage. For now i'm going to hold off upgrading for a while, where as if i had a drop in performance boost a new CPU would be on preorder now.
Ah, I see AMD not selling their Intel decimators for £50 is causing a lot of tears to flow. Right on time.
You people do know the W-3175X is $2,999, yeah? That makes the 3970X $1,000 CHEAPER with 4 MORE SUPERIOR CORES.
10980XE TRAY PRICE is $979, not retail. 3960X is $300 more expensive with 6 MORE SUPERIOR cores.
Sheesh...
You people do know the W-3175X is $2,999, yeah? That makes the 3970X $1,000 CHEAPER with 4 MORE SUPERIOR CORES.
10980XE TRAY PRICE is $979, not retail. 3960X is $300 more expensive with 6 MORE SUPERIOR cores.
Sheesh...
People in this thread aren't concerned about the price, more so disturbing existing setups that work due to having to get a new board and losing functionality to gain stuff they don't need.
I don't need more cores, I don't need PCIe4.0, I would like more performance, I would have bought a 3950x on x399 but AMD in their wisdom have decided that 16 core is too little for HEDT. So for that cheaper chip you are going to have to buy a 24 core chip and TRX40 board which will no doubt add more than $1000
If I have to break my system down for more performance I can choose any vendor at this point and Intel would be a valid choice on price.
Intels upcoming HEDT chips will drop into the old cheap x299 boards, Intel will have actually supported the x299 platform for 3 generations with Cascade Lake X, so will have done a better job of supporting drop in replacement than AMDs HEDT, stone me, who would have thought Intel would have better socket support and cheaper chips in the HEDT space, how times change.
Given the pricing of 3950X at the moment I may be able to get a Cascade Lake X, motherboard and have change, the main question for me is what the performance is going to be like versus not the 3950x (as the platform this works on makes it redundant for anything but a games machine) but my other cheap option of just dropping in a TR2xxx and whether it is worth the bump, I like the look of the Core i9-10920XE.
I don't need more cores, I don't need PCIe4.0, I would like more performance, I would have bought a 3950x on x399 but AMD in their wisdom have decided that 16 core is too little for HEDT. So for that cheaper chip you are going to have to buy a 24 core chip and TRX40 board which will no doubt add more than $1000
If I have to break my system down for more performance I can choose any vendor at this point and Intel would be a valid choice on price.
Intels upcoming HEDT chips will drop into the old cheap x299 boards, Intel will have actually supported the x299 platform for 3 generations with Cascade Lake X, so will have done a better job of supporting drop in replacement than AMDs HEDT, stone me, who would have thought Intel would have better socket support and cheaper chips in the HEDT space, how times change.
Given the pricing of 3950X at the moment I may be able to get a Cascade Lake X, motherboard and have change, the main question for me is what the performance is going to be like versus not the 3950x (as the platform this works on makes it redundant for anything but a games machine) but my other cheap option of just dropping in a TR2xxx and whether it is worth the bump, I like the look of the Core i9-10920XE.
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Really?
I'm seeing them doing what their customers told them to do with their wallets.
AMD reported that the interest in TR was greatly biased towards core count so here we are at another launch and 8-16 core TR is nowhere to be seen but 24/32 is here and 64 core is coming along.
I say 16 core is being tried out on the mainstream boards without the memory/pci lanes of TR to see if it sells better as the king of the mainstream socket rather than the bottom end of TR.
So TR gets no overlap with its HEDT category with maximum threads and maximum clockspeed plus improved memory and connectivity.
Then for all the other niches of pro use there's epyc going from 8-64 cores with all the connectivity and all the memory channels. But at a lower clock speed than TR.
I'm sure some niches are being abandoned but I reckon they're just following the sales.
People in this thread aren't concerned about the price, more so disturbing existing setups that work due to having to get a new board and losing functionality to gain stuff they don't need.
I don't need more cores, I don't need PCIe4.0, I would like more performance, I would have bought a 3950x on x399 but AMD in their wisdom have decided that 16 core is too little for HEDT. So for that cheaper chip you are going to have to buy a 24 core chip and TRX40 board which will no doubt add more than $1000
If I have to break my system down for more performance I can choose any vendor at this point and Intel would be a valid choice on price.
Intels upcoming HEDT chips will drop into the old cheap x299 boards, Intel will have actually supported the x299 platform for 3 generations with Cascade Lake X, so will have done a better job of supporting drop in replacement than AMDs HEDT, stone me, who would have thought Intel would have better socket support and cheaper chips in the HEDT space, how times change.
Given the pricing of 3950X at the moment I may be able to get a Cascade Lake X and motherboard, the main question for me is what the performance is going to be like versus not the 3950x (as the platform this works on makes it redundant for anything but a games machine) but my other cheap option of just dropping in a TR2xxx and whether it is worth the bump, I like the look of the Core i9-10920XE.
My feelings exactly
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My wallet is telling me that the 24 core should be £800 and 32 core £1300, as well as the mobos being the same price as the first time round since we're essentially being forced to upgrade.