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If True.. Oh Dear Nvidia!

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All this talk about PC games only being there because nVidia does this or that is utter rubbish. Sorry I have worked as a programmer in the industry since mid 80's and I can tell you for a fact that there is no game out there that was only developed because nVidia was involved.
 
Duran said:
thats irrelevant, consoles have huge corporations backing them up.
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Hang on, what?
- if only one company can bid for the GPU parts in a new console then they can charge what they like
- if there's only one GPU manu then there's no incentive for innovation, leading to potentially 'meh' graphics in new machines
 
Also one other point is this.. Although it is possible that Ati would incerase prices there is also a huge chance they would not. You forget the simple fact that ATI current only have a small portion of teh market for high end cards and they still develop them. If they suddenly get 100% of that market thier profit in it will sore no end so they could continue with same prices and a bigger profit margin.
 
Sad if true, but this writer seems to have a huge vendetta against the green giant.

I must say I prefer Nvidia to ATi purely on software support. The cards vary in performance, but Nvidia drivers always seem much better.

If Nvidia do shed some weight, maybe ATi will pick it up and use it to improve their driver writing.. but what's the motivation when you arnt competing..
 
gord said:
Sad if true, but this writer seems to have a huge vendetta against the green giant.

I must say I prefer Nvidia to ATi purely on software support. The cards vary in performance, but Nvidia drivers always seem much better.

If Nvidia do shed some weight, maybe ATi will pick it up and use it to improve their driver writing.. but what's the motivation when you arnt competing..
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I feel that their drivers are not perfect and since they eyeing up gpgpu market and cell phones their drivers are suffering, i just hope game performance doesn't suffer at the expense of gpgpu hardware in the gpu, as i got a feeling the next nvidia will be faster than a 5870 but will cost a lot more.
 
While i think nvidia deserve a smack in the face business wise i would not want to see them drop out completely and no one interested i pc's should want that. Having said that i have to agree that nvidia dropping away is not going to be the end of pc gaming sorry but thats rubbish pc games were around a long time before nvidia and they will continue to be around long afer nvidia have gone why same reason as always flexability developers have more with a pc then they do with a console and while yes there might not be as many games around thats because consoles are seen as trendier then a pc. Yes it's charlie and if it was only charlie then large intake of salt required but it isn't there have been a lot of articles in the last few months saying nvidia have problems so i think there is probably more truth then lie in this but it isn't good news for anyone.
 
RizlaKing said:
While i think nvidia deserve a smack in the face business wise i would not want to see them drop out completely and no one interested i pc's should want that. Having said that i have to agree that nvidia dropping away is not going to be the end of pc gaming sorry but thats rubbish pc games were around a long time before nvidia and they will continue to be around long afer nvidia have gone why same reason as always flexability developers have more with a pc then they do with a console and while yes there might not be as many games around thats because consoles are seen as trendier then a pc. Yes it's charlie and if it was only charlie then large intake of salt required but it isn't there have been a lot of articles in the last few months saying nvidia have problems so i think there is probably more truth then lie in this but it isn't good news for anyone.
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I do think if it was all lies nvidia would get it pulled
 
OrphanBoy said:
Hang on, what?
- if only one company can bid for the GPU parts in a new console then they can charge what they like
- if there's only one GPU manu then there's no incentive for innovation, leading to potentially 'meh' graphics in new machines
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sorry but console gamers are not graphics whores. they could care less if the graphics dont improve for the next gen. take a look at the wii... intel is in the business as well. they could easily develop a gpu powerful enough for consoles.
 
I buy from both companies because one or the other always has something I want, sad if this is true.
 
Duran said:
sorry but console gamers are not graphics whores. they could care less if the graphics dont improve for the next gen. take a look at the wii... intel is in the business as well. they could easily develop a gpu powerful enough for consoles.
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That's a bit of a misinterpretation of the market. The Wii market is a new one of casual non-gamers with a small element of hardcore Tendo fans.

The Sony and Microsoft markets have a much higher percentage of graphic whores. People won't buy the next GT or COD if it doesnt look better.
 
Pottsey said:
“boldly turning itself into a vibrant GPU compute and cell phone chip giant.”
The problem is they have already lost in the cellphone market. PowerVR pretty much rule that with parts far in advance of Nvidia.
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Tegra requires friends in that space, nVidia seem to make it a mission not to make business friends for some reason.
ARM's Mali is also in that space, although Mali takes the same strategy as AMD's GPUs. So it's not all Imagination Technologies' way.

Thought I'd link in our previous discussions:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18062521
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18062149

The problem is cashflow. Companies can have great revenue potential but unless they can collect that money in a timely manner to cover their costs then they could hit the wall - banks aren't happy to loan to companies at the moment to cover 'gaps'.

I doubt there's much in terms of direct sales of high-end GPUs if the costs making them are so high. They need to be seen to be a leader in the GPU market - that's their core company competence. It's also the same competence that they need to hit the super-"compute" and high end mobile markets.
To me nVidia are in transition - they need their revenue from their existing market to pay whilst they build momentum and gain market share in their new markets. The really need the cash flow but also they need their limited resources for producing the products to fit into those new compute markets asap or they'll lose the window of opportunity before the others move in - at which point if they can't get cash from that market it's game over.

nVidia do have strengths - they have hardware building expertise including chipsets, the vision to push being bleeding edge. However bleeding edge is high risk and needs cashflow like everything else.

If the 2xx series is dropped they're obviously deciding to put everything into focusing on that window of opportunity so they need the extra production capacity.
It also shows that the 58xx is making the 2xx sales painful.. perhaps the 2xx are actually loss makers.
 
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Not good if true, lets hope they can revive it. Just think of all the landmark products they have made over the years, we need nvidia to be around :(
 
damn kind of worried about this - as others have said its nvidia that make allot of pc ports possible due to there funding - im sure they'll get there act together, they have to or pcs will become an mmorpg/casual graphic adventure/puzzle game only platform!! hopefully intels laberea gfx cards will show some promise in competition to ati if the worst does happen, and maybe ati will come up with there own funding and the way its meant to be played type slogan!
 
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