If we stuck with SD this gen...

this sort of riles me

i mean i played games in 'hd' seven or eight years ago, mebbe more, on my pc
mebbe not widescreen 'hd' but 1024x768 was the standard gaming resolution
it annoys me that marketing people can claim that modern games are the first in 'hd'

This has nothing to do with high definition television at all. Even if you had a PC setup at 1024x786, what does a HDTV have to do with it. Until the 360 and PS3 came, there really wasn't any real reason to own one. Almost zero HD channels and films.
 
This has nothing to do with high definition television at all. Even if you had a PC setup at 1024x786, what does a HDTV have to do with it. Until the 360 and PS3 came, there really wasn't any real reason to own one. Almost zero HD channels and films.

but it does

you said people had to invest in a HD tv to play HD games
im saying we have been doing so for years
just not on in our living room on a big widescreen tv

edit: sorry not you but a pevoius poster *ahem*
 
I prefer the way we have it now where developers can use low res if they want (ala CoD4) or try for the full 720p (ala DMC4). Much better than forcing 480p on everything.
 
IIRC Nintenjo (a dev) is an advocate of the not scratch the surface of SD yet camp, and i think he is right.
But it wouldn't sell many TV's and HD just sounds better.
 
While i feel 720p (or slightly lower in some cases) is a necessary progression from 480p, i feel that 1080p is pointless at present. Neither console has enough power to push out that res and supply sufficient eye candy/decent framerates at that rather large resolution.

Maybe next gen eh.
 
If we stuck with SD this gen...

Technically quite a few games are still stuck at SD this gen lol Well ok none as low as SD but a lot of top games arent even running in HD (720p). So its kind of a halfway house this generation somewhere between SD and HD. The latest i read about was MGS4 thats running in 660p i believe. Some others that dont run in HD... Haze and COD4 spring to mind.

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While i feel 720p (or slightly lower in some cases) is a necessary progression from 480p, i feel that 1080p is pointless at present. Neither console has enough power to push out that res and supply sufficient eye candy/decent framerates at that rather large resolution.

Maybe next gen eh.

Doesn't GT5 output a genuine 1080p? That probably explains the lacklustre sparse tracks it seems to have. Not to mention the 30fps replays.
 
...how good would the graphics be? Obviously we wouldn't have such a high resolution but probably model detail...etc would be much higher since the system is working less due to rending the game at standard definition.

Do you think the tradeoff is worth it considering it requires quite a large investment in the form of a HDTV to view high definition content?

I was thinking something very similar myself the other day. I was watching an SDTV and thinking that game gfx didn't yet look as good as SDTV so if we waited another generation before consoles went HD then how much better would they look. Would we get gfx on consoles to look as good a film on DVD?
 
A lot of TV will be HD in the not too distant future, and Blu Ray is mainstream. HDTV's are becoming commonplace... it's not really an issue and tech has to progress sometimes... we've been on SD for decades now.

I wouldn't call BD mainstream... yet.

Not when you walk into certain high street stores and they still inform you "Are you sure you want this on Blu-Ray sir?" or "This isn't a DVD sir"
 
I wouldn't call BD mainstream... yet.

Not when you walk into certain high street stores and they still inform you "Are you sure you want this on Blu-Ray sir?" or "This isn't a DVD sir"

They probably do that to ensure thick people don't buy the wrong format and then return it. Bet they get loads of people buying BD's thinking they can play them in their DVD player.
 
That's absolutely NOT true. Just output Crysis at 640x480 to your TV and you'll see what I mean. There are so much more room for highly visible graphical updates on SD it's not funny. The 360 and PS3 are nowhere near hitting the roof for maximum graphical potential output on SDTVs. I mean, even just watching television alone should tell you this. There are way more room for graphical improvement, even more than we have seen from PS1 to PS3, before we need to increase the resolution as the only way of improving things.

Using the example of watching TV is quite ridiculous, it's 2 totally different medias. Sharpness, detail and definition are all difficult to show on SD over HD. SD could improve slightly, but moving to HD was required.
Playing games on PC should tell you this.
 
Using the example of watching TV is quite ridiculous, it's 2 totally different medias. Sharpness, detail and definition are all difficult to show on SD over HD. SD could improve slightly, but moving to HD was required.
Playing games on PC should tell you this.

I agree. I'd much rather have a higher resolution FPS game with sparser scenery than a smear fest with lots of detail that the low resolution hides.
 
Using the example of watching TV is quite ridiculous, it's 2 totally different medias. Sharpness, detail and definition are all difficult to show on SD over HD. SD could improve slightly, but moving to HD was required.
Playing games on PC should tell you this.

When you're playing on a PC your distance from the screen is very, very small in comparison to a TV, hence the higher resolution. It'd look god awful in SD from those viewing distances.
 
Using the example of watching TV is quite ridiculous, it's 2 totally different medias. Sharpness, detail and definition are all difficult to show on SD over HD. SD could improve slightly, but moving to HD was required.
Playing games on PC should tell you this.

Well I'm going to put it at this and this only: you're wrong.

If you think graphics cannot get any better than what they currently are on SDTVs (or just 'slightly'), you're in for a rude awakening. The Xbox 720 and PS4 will look far far better than current systems on SDTVs, so will the 1080 and PS5. And so will the next round of consoles.

Quite why people are making SDTV images out to be unintelligible smudges is beyond me.
 
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the thing that annoys me most about the step up to HD is that all my PS3 games seem to have been made with the assumption that I'm playing them on an HDTV. I'm not, I still have a 32" CRT thing that does me alright, but playing PS3 games I quite often struggle to read text, even if I go right up to the TV, it's not a distance thing, the text is just too small for an SDTV (the phone, emails on GTA4, any text on Haze are things which stood out)
 
Also I think maybe people are not fairly drawing a comparison between SD and the current HD used in most games (720p) due to the difference in TV's they used for SD and HD. For example, when I had an SDTV, it was pretty old, not a very good one, when I upgraded to a HDTV, ignoring the fact that it is displaying in HD, it's a more recent set using better technology, with better colour reproduction...etc...etc.

Maybe if people had two of the exact same TV except one is SD and one is HD, then they'd see that the difference isn't so huge.
 
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The biggest progression made this gen was the jump to HD, t is the reason why the games will still look excellent at the end of this cycle, clean iq and in high resolution.


Since going HD I can't stand to play anything on a SD TV.
 
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