If you were Merc negotiating Hamilton's next contract

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Syla5 said:
From the tone of Bald's post its pretty clear he doesn't agree with it. In fact its borderline racism, again.
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OMFG you haven't read the WHOLE thread have you. Another JSW on the list.

I hate all these awards. And that does not make me racist.
I can't find one on that list that has done anything special.
 
deuse said:
OMFG you haven't read the WHOLE thread have you. Another JSW on the list.

I hate all these awards. And that does not make me racist.
I can't find one on that list that has done anything special.
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Go back and reread first Balds post, why use the term PC at all, if you 1) agree that Hamilton should have won the aware 2)are trying to discredit the whole award giving thing entirely.

Also i think you have miss read my response, it isnt aimed at your view. Its aimed at balds response as coming across that Hamilton is not deserving of the SPOTY, you know, the question that you asked...

Had you and i had a conversation about the validity of SPOTY as an award thats a different matter, I personally agree and think they are kind of pointless awards.

rubberduck said:
Guess Merc will be racist for not offering Hamilton 60 million a year right?
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Stumble Bum said:
You're embarrassing yourself now.
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Nothing to do with SJW or not, and also pay attention to Balds' other posts, in this thread, its pretty obvious behaviour.

On the actual topic IF merc do not sign Hamilton the only thing that will be clear is that its because they couldn't come to an agreement. If Hamilton values himself more highly then Merc/Ineos/Wolff do then he's shooting himself in the foot a little, but also what does he have to lose now?

I would see that as nothing to do with his colour at all, just like I don't see him getting a knighthood or SPOTY as anything to do with his colour either.
 
@Stumble Bum go back and read them again.....

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Bald-Eagle22 said:
last word from me - Hamilton is hypocrite, tax dodging idiot that in my mind has brought F1 into a political platform that he didn’t need to and `Mercedes should drop him. There are other drivers that can win for them in a heartbeat.
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Gets significantly more obvious here:

Bald-Eagle22 said:
BLM are a political movement https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-registers-political-party-could-stand-local/. How does he then not bring politics into F1 - ok I’m clueless .

like I give 2 stuffs what you think about my views on racism , you’d be very surprised about my current status - tried not to be Personal here shame you can’t be .

Majority ok the UK are sick of it in F1 and football - believe you me when the terrace go back no one will be taking a knee .

On topic I have my suspicions Mercedes are as well and a lot of other teams and drivers to boot - hence my point on dropping him - not that it would come out as to many people are far to PC these days .

To many Hamilton fan boys here - not that you lot will care or miss me or me you so since no one can have an adult conversation- bye .
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I mean firstly the movement wasn't made political until LONG after it was a global movement against racism, so no he didn't bring F1 in to a political platform, and he alone also didn't make F1 or Mercedes do anything. They choose to take part in the movement, just like they choose to change the rules to stop Hamilton or any other driver making a point on the podium.

As for this second quote and highlighted element, that is not the view of the majority of the UK, i think that's pretty clear. Its also quite telling.

So no i didn't bring race in to this, i defended race when it has been brought in to this, these are two very different things.
 
Syla5 said:
@Stumble Bum go back and read them again.....

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I mean firstly the movement wasn't made political until LONG after it was a global movement against racism, so no he didn't bring F1 in to a political platform, and he alone also didn't make F1 or Mercedes do anything. They choose to take part in the movement, just like they choose to change the rules to stop Hamilton or any other driver making a point on the podium.

As for this second quote and highlighted element, that is not the view of the majority of the UK, i think that's pretty clear. Its also quite telling.

So no i didn't bring race in to this, i defended race when it has been brought in to this, these are two very different things.
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As already said, I've read all the posts, nothing wrong with them. Hamilton has brought politics into sport time and time again, not sure why you're trying to argue that he hasn't, you do remember some of the t-shirts he's worn don't you? Also I'm sure many people are sick of hearing about BLM or kneeling at every sporting event. To mention these points does NOT make someone racist and you should NOT go around accusing people of such slanderous remarks.
 
Syla5 said:
Go back and reread first Balds post, why use the term PC at all, if you 1) agree that Hamilton should have won the aware 2)are trying to discredit the whole award giving thing entirely.

Also i think you have miss read my response, it isnt aimed at your view. Its aimed at balds response as coming across that Hamilton is not deserving of the SPOTY, you know, the question that you asked...

Had you and i had a conversation about the validity of SPOTY as an award thats a different matter, I personally agree and think they are kind of pointless awards.




Nothing to do with SJW or not, and also pay attention to Balds' other posts, in this thread, its pretty obvious behaviour.

On the actual topic IF merc do not sign Hamilton the only thing that will be clear is that its because they couldn't come to an agreement. If Hamilton values himself more highly then Merc/Ineos/Wolff do then he's shooting himself in the foot a little, but also what does he have to lose now?

I would see that as nothing to do with his colour at all, just like I don't see him getting a knighthood or SPOTY as anything to do with his colour either.
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You've lost the plot when you called someone a racist which is against the forum rules.

And back to hamilton.
It loos like who ever blinks first in the contract talk is going to be the loser.

As said. I would hire Russell all day long. Or maybe Hamilton wants a long contract and has a say on Russell.

Hamilton and the rest don't deserve any of these happy awards.
Now if they gave one to a nurse on the front line...that's different.
 
deuse said:
You've lost the plot when you called someone a racist which is against the forum rules.

And back to hamilton.
It loos like who ever blinks first in the contract talk is going to be the loser.

As said. I would hire Russell all day long. Or maybe Hamilton wants a long contract and has a say on Russell.

Hamilton and the rest don't deserve any of these happy awards.
Now if they gave one to a nurse on the front line...that's different.
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No i haven't, I said the comments are borderline racism. That's an acceptable view to have, given the topic and who its about.

If i was Mercedes i would have hired GR and kept Hamilton, i wouldn't hire bottas back but they did.


Stumble Bum said:
As already said, I've read all the posts, nothing wrong with them. Hamilton has brought politics into sport time and time again, not sure why you're trying to argue that he hasn't, you do remember some of the t-shirts he's worn don't you? Also I'm sure many people are sick of hearing about BLM or kneeling at every sporting event. To mention these points does NOT make someone racist and you should NOT go around accusing people of such slanderous remarks.
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Hamilton alone didn't bring anything in to the sport, and for anyone that actually follows the sport will know, it was the GPDA as a collective that wanted to do something, as well as Mercedes backing the movement with changing the colour of their car, and FOM and the FIA for the All as one, and fight against racism.

If you think the comments made have no connection to racism at all then ill point you to all the conversations that are happening around ignorance of the issue is just as much a problem. Sweeping statements like the whole of the UK are sick of BLM are just as much a part of the problem, which was, and still is my point.

Calling someone a social justice warrior, fair enough, is that worse then racism deniers?
 
Syla5 said:
No i haven't, I said the comments are borderline racism. That's an acceptable view to have, given the topic and who its about.

If i was Mercedes i would have hired GR and kept Hamilton, i wouldn't hire bottas back but they did.




Hamilton alone didn't bring anything in to the sport, and for anyone that actually follows the sport will know, it was the GPDA as a collective that wanted to do something, as well as Mercedes backing the movement with changing the colour of their car, and FOM and the FIA for the All as one, and fight against racism.

If you think the comments made have no connection to racism at all then ill point you to all the conversations that are happening around ignorance of the issue is just as much a problem. Sweeping statements like the whole of the UK are sick of BLM are just as much a part of the problem, which was, and still is my point.

Calling someone a social justice warrior, fair enough, is that worse then racism deniers?
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The only reason hamilton does these blm things is because he loves attention.

When he wins, he waits till no one is around other then his media guy.
Does a black panther salute for the picture then walks off.
When he comes in second. He never does it.

If he really felt the way he says.
He wouldn't race in at least 3 countries.
 
deuse said:
The only reason hamilton does these blm things is because he loves attention.

When he wins, he waits till no one is around other then his media guy.
Does a black panther salute for the picture then walks off.
When he comes in second. He never does it.

If he really felt the way he says.
He wouldn't race in at least 3 countries.
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Provide proof please of those points because they appear to be heavy assumptions there.


Except he has a contract. Also when he goes to those countries he still stands by his view, still challenges the fight against racism, so surely its spreading the message in important countries that need to see the message, there.

Boycotting isnt the only way to get the message across. By your logic F1 shouldnt go there at all (which i dont disagree with) yet contracts are contracts.
 
Syla5 said:
Provide proof please of those points because they appear to be heavy assumptions there.


Except he has a contract. Also when he goes to those countries he still stands by his view, still challenges the fight against racism, so surely its spreading the message in important countries that need to see the message, there.

Boycotting isnt the only way to get the message across. By your logic F1 shouldnt go there at all (which i dont disagree with) yet contracts are contracts.
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You miss the point.

You say he has a contract.
But he wasn't forced to sign it and knew in advance that he was going there.

There is a no "assumptions" you just have to open his social media places and watch what he posts after a race.

As a driver he is very good.
As a person, he is as two faced as you can get.
No one is bigger than the race.

But lets hope there are more then 3 people racing at the front this year.
 
deuse said:
There is a no "assumptions" you just have to open his social media places and watch what he posts after a race.
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I watch the provided content and follow numerous drivers on social media, ive seen Hamilton get out of his car and straight away do the salute fron black panther, most poignantly on the weekend of the passing of Chadwick Boseman. Also ive seen him get straight out of the car and do the black power salute as well, which has more meaning to it then just black power, its also used as a symbol of human rights.

So again i ask you for proof of where he does these things just in isolation which you made quite a point about. Also seen him do it when he doesnt win, i guess we both watch different F1 series.....
 
Syla5 said:
I watch the provided content and follow numerous drivers on social media, ive seen Hamilton get out of his car and straight away do the salute fron black panther, most poignantly on the weekend of the passing of Chadwick Boseman. Also ive seen him get straight out of the car and do the black power salute as well, which has more meaning to it then just black power, its also used as a symbol of human rights.

So again i ask you for proof of where he does these things just in isolation which you made quite a point about. Also seen him do it when he doesnt win, i guess we both watch different F1 series.....
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"says making the ‘Black Power’ salute on the podium after he won the Styrian Grand Prix was a moment he’ll always remember."

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/foru...s-next-contract.18915365/page-8#post-34464270

Watch more closely this year :)

Pity he doesn't stick up for his own kind.
 
deuse said:
The only reason hamilton does these blm things is because he loves attention.

When he wins, he waits till no one is around other then his media guy.
Does a black panther salute for the picture then walks off.
When he comes in second. He never does it.

If he really felt the way he says.
He wouldn't race in at least 3 countries.
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What, you mean like the time Hamilton urged the FIA to not forget the human rights of those countries where F1 insist on racing at?...

https://www.racefans.net/2020/11/21...hamilton-urges-f1-not-to-ignore-human-rights/
 
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