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Why is it not a viable alternative?

Also, I don't even get what you mean by your second statement.

Rich

Because it sounds terrible when I have my volume up like I usually do with my music.

Well by my second statement, basically if it wasn't for the net I wouldn't even bother with music, it's just something I've never felt to be value for money at all, it just annoys me that I'll end up ripping the CD to my hard drive and then the CD will rot on the bookshelf so it feels like I may as well have downloaded it.

As for iTunes, I wouldn't buy music from them, DRM.
 
Because it sounds terrible when I have my volume up like I usually do with my music.

Well by my second statement, basically if it wasn't for the net I wouldn't even bother with music, it's just something I've never felt to be value for money at all, it just annoys me that I'll end up ripping the CD to my hard drive and then the CD will rot on the bookshelf so it feels like I may as well have downloaded it.

As for iTunes, I wouldn't buy music from them, DRM.

I get you with the quality - but unfortunately if they upped the quality the sites would be dog slow and well there would be no point in buying it, as well, the HQ version is online!

I think you are also missing the point with music when you say the CD rots on your shelf - you are buying the music itself, not the CD - the CD is a transport medium (if you get me) to get the music too you.

I have hundreds of CDs on my shelf and I don't regrudge buying any of them because they sit on my shelf, are never used and all of them are ripped onto my Mac - they are just the way of getting a high quality version of an album into my home.

I think last.fm have the perfect route for listening to music - they give you chunks of albums, whole albums in some cases and let you have a listen in a decentish quality, for free - allowing you to make your mind up on buying an album or not.

Don't think you could ask for more really, just they need to expand the catalogue and get rid of the silly "previews".

Rich
 
Because it sounds terrible when I have my volume up like I usually do with my music.

Well by my second statement, basically if it wasn't for the net I wouldn't even bother with music, it's just something I've never felt to be value for money at all, it just annoys me that I'll end up ripping the CD to my hard drive and then the CD will rot on the bookshelf so it feels like I may as well have downloaded it.

As for iTunes, I wouldn't buy music from them, DRM.

quality is one of the few advantages that buying cd's still has over downloading music, why would they give you a high quality version so people dont need to buy the cd?
 
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Where can I find a box like that? Want to put all my bought dvd's out of normal cases and into a single place so I can easily find what I want.
 

While I don't think anyone is arguing this (anymore, I hope) I still don't think it makes it any better morally to do.

In some senses it's worse than theft (I know it's not "theft" theft before you all start) as you can copy something an infinite number of times - you can only steal a physical item once! (Unless you steal it from the person who stole it, I guess :p)

Rich
 
While I don't think anyone is arguing this (anymore, I hope) I still don't think it makes it any better morally to do.

In some senses it's worse than theft (I know it's not "theft" theft before you all start) as you can copy something an infinite number of times - you can only steal a physical item once! (Unless you steal it from the person who stole it, I guess :p)

Rich

Indeed. I just wish the media stop calling it theft too.
 
What makes me laugh are the hardcore bit torrent fans!! Met a guy recently who used BT all the time, we got on the discussion of rapidshare and how it is faster but you have to pay for it. You should have seen his face when he found out the price, £13 for a few months - he was so addicted to downloading stuff for "absolutely" nothing he was outraged that people pay pittance for a faster and better service. Either way, both illegal.
 
I suppose but the way he had it set up, a film would be an overnight job. Others were trying to telling him, with RS a film could take a few of minutes. The £13 was too much though, students!!!:p
 
I suppose but the way he had it set up, a film would be an overnight job. Others were trying to telling him, with RS a film could take a few of minutes. The £13 was too much though, students!!!:p

Aye - I knew people like that, I used a newsgroup account for a time and used to get that "you pay for your downloads! Idiot its free!"

But erm, if I pay £7 a month I got my TV shows in 3 minutes, rather than an hour or so later...

Anyway, cut all that in the neck! I only used my NG in the end as I was sick of having to wait so long for TV shows to come out over here - was basically a PVR service.

Rich
 
Used to use torrents but recently I changed to Rapidshare, it's much better imo, and I get better speeds as it tends to max my connection whereas that would rarely happen with torrents for me.
 

Awesome, just what I was looking for, I gather it comes with the holding things you insert cd/dvd's into.

While we are on the subject, I buy lots of dvd's (hence need the box as strage of the dvd + case is taking up too much room and its difficult to search through) as only live 15 minutes from town on a pushbike. Its easy to go in and buy what I want, mind you only buy when things are on deals like 3 for £20, I think its a reasonable price.
 
Indeed. I just wish the media stop calling it theft too.
...and that they'd stop calling it piracy. It's copyright infringement. Maybe tarnishing people (such as Knock Off Nigel.... bwahahaha) as pirates makes them seem worse than calling them copyright infringers.

Also, why does FAST go after people who infringe copyright? They're called the Federation Against Software Theft, and as we all agree that downloading != thievery it should be outside their remit, unless they changed their name to Federation Against Copyright Infringement & Software Theft, also known as FACIST :D
 
Digital Media != Physical media. There are some basic rules of physical media that do not apply to digital media :

1) Physical media is a combination of the *state* (structure/topology) of the media PLUS the media itself. To steal (which is the essence of piracy) a physical piece of media requires the removal of the medium AND the state. It denies the originator of the medium AND the state, though if the originator maintains records of the state of the media (for use in a manufacturing process) then the originator has merely been denied the physical medium.
2) Digital media is *pure state*, it has no physical representation. It is not possible to steal digital media, it is only possible to "move" the media (by means of a copy AND/OR delete) functionality.
3) The state of physical media may be converted into digital media by means of digitization. If this process is completed without the consent of the holders of the intellectual rights of the original physical media, this is copyright infringement - it cannot be theft because the originator still retains the full and original media.
4) The state of digital media (the digital media itself) may be converted into the state of a physical media through manufacturing. If this process is completed without the consent of the holders of the digital media, this is copyright infringement - it cannot be theft because the originator still retains the full and original media. The physical medium still belongs to the secondary party, but the configuration of the state of it belongs to originator.
5) The movement of digital media can only be considered "theft" if the original media is deleted as part of the movement process - otherwise backups would all be considered theft, copying would all be theft, copying things into memory, transport would ALL be considered theft. Stopping these functions would be extremely dangerous - without redundancy, the digital media would be highly likely to be lost or damaged through the physical medium storing the digital media becoming damaged/corrupted.
6) Copying does *not* constitute theft - even if it causes loss of revenue - only removal without consent can do that. Loss of revenue due to a breakdown of a business model that relies entirely on the restriction of the flow of information is not legally supported - otherwise there would have to be a legal precident set for EVERY TYPE OF BUSINESS MODEL, ensuring that people did not break them. Business models are made to be tested and broken. They continuously adapt - licencing laws, for example for services, continuously adapt, and have become an effective way for business models to work (licencing a piece of software/number of users etc).

Businesses adapt their models, thats what they *do*. Businesses will rightly get upset when they have invested heavily in their model, but that is life. Ignorance of your business area is not an excuse to try and lock down society into unsustainable and uneconomic practices.

I hope this crashes and burns, to be honest.
 
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