I'm Think of getting another dog

Any breeder worth it's salt will have reports stemming back many generations regarding medical/genetic issues and there are various tests available (optigen etc).
 
That goes directly against what Panorama exposed. It's all about how the dog looks, everything else is not relevant. Genetic defects, siezures etc.
 
YOU wouldn't thats my point. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fantastic that people like yourself take these dogs in, truly.
I'm not doing it because I'm a saint, I just wanted a dog with four legs :)
People who have children are saints :D
However, there are a lot of people who ---- take showing as a hobby, this is where these dogs come in.
OK, I don't really understand this hobby of showing dogs, but point taken
Or they do just wan't a family pet and feel better buying one from a reputable breeder, it's just personal choice.
Personally I'd take the word of a rescue centre worker over a breeder as to the exact temperament of the dog, rescue dogs are also walked by a number of different people, not just the same breeder all the time.
I don't think breeders even have to be registered, they could be anyone.
 
Yeah some breeders are just in it for the money and awards, others actually care about the dogs, their health and who buys them (as well as the fore mentioned).
 
Any breeder worth it's salt will have reports stemming back many generations regarding medical/genetic issues and there are various tests available (optigen etc).

So pretty much a hell of a lot of breeders dont do this then? :p

I agree, but calling people posers for it is pretty pathetic.

Totally agree, could have been worded differently...

My girlfriends sister has just re-homed a dog...I think its something like 2 months or so old :)

But as I understand it breeders are all wanting to breed a dog that looks like the ideal specimen of the breed. Which for some breeds is cruel - alsatians back legs aren't right, that dog with the kink in the spine etc.

Indeed....or half the time just want to make money...it depends what type of breeders you're talking about ;)
 
My dog, a Schapendoe, was a rescue dog and was abused when she was younger but I haven't met a more laid back, happy dog. Of course, everyone says that about their dogs, but she really is amazing. It's one of these things, rescue dogs can be 'edgy' but they can also be totally fine. Much like a dog from a breeder with a documented past.
We got her because when my Father went to the pound to see if there were any he wanted, all the others were barking and jumping up on the cages and generally acting quite aggressively. Whereas Becky was just sat in her bit staring aimlessly and not bothering anyone. She's ace.
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That goes directly against what Panorama exposed. It's all about how the dog looks, everything else is not relevant. Genetic defects, siezures etc.

That's for show dogs and if you are just basis your argument on Panorama then my opinion of you has dropped greatly.

KaHn
 
My nan used to breed Rough Collies, and showed them at crufts. Grandfather went on to become a judge, and not once in the years that I've known them to breed dogs has one so much as growled at any of the children in the house.

We have a springer spaniel, and despite Wiki babbeling on about "Spaniel rage", she's a loving dog. Crazy, and hyper but loving. It's how you bring them up.


 
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Utter ********

It's not at all, and my bro-in-laws missus agrees, and I'll trust the woman who is in her final you studying to become a vet over you Kahn.

The only thing you've said I agree with is that rescue dogs can come with problems, I've spent enough time trying to fix some of the worst cases at the local dogs home to know.

One thing to consider, is that some breeds are nippers. The don't full on bite, but have a tendency to nip at you if they don't like something. Worth checking out if you've got kids in the house.
 
It's not at all, and my bro-in-laws missus agrees, and I'll trust the woman who is in her final you studying to become a vet over you Kahn.

The only thing you've said I agree with is that rescue dogs can come with problems, I've spent enough time trying to fix some of the worst cases at the local dogs home to know.

One thing to consider, is that some breeds are nippers. The don't full on bite, but have a tendency to nip at you if they don't like something. Worth checking out if you've got kids in the house.

So she is telling you that Mongrels have less chance of Genetic problems than Pedigree dogs for any reason?

The reason Mongrels are considered to generally have less genetic problems because they're breeding are not limited to one breed, this does not however mean that all pedigrees are the same, it is generally considered :-

http://germanshepherdforum.createforum.com/genetics-f21/coi-coefficient-of-inbreeding-t1453.html said:
Who uses this and do you know your dogs COI.
According to Jeff Sampson the average COI of German Shepherds is 12%; a COI of 12.5% is equivalent to half sister - half brother mating or grandparent to grandchild mating.
A COI of a litter should not exceed 6.25% or the average COI of sire and dam.

Some examples my dogs Alfe COI 3.7%, Zandi 5.6%
GSD BOB Crufts 4.7%
VA1 male British Sieger 4.6%

Part of his research http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content-...179/1/593/TBL3

What JH failed to grasp when she brought this up elsewhere is a lot of WG line ancestors are not in the UK KC database, so I am presuming JS getting a high average for our breed was predominately due to the English lines who will do extremely close matings.
Your thoughts please

Breeders of Pedigree dogs who look after their breeding pool and don't just pick due to proximity, show dogs are in a totally different catagory as breeders will gernally inbreed to get specific traits.

Also for the age of dogs thing from wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_dogs

This states that the oldest dog in the world is a pedigree. I am not saying that some pedigree dogs (ones which have suffered from an influx of crap breeders breeding for money/show will suffer) don't suffer from genetic problems, just it's utter ******** to say that all do.

And for that I doubt the vet has agreed in full as I have and probably just a passing comment.

KaHn

/edit - For example max's COI is 8.7%
 
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please tell me how many people have pugs as my girlfreind wants one i have showed her a website about pugs and there helth problems.

how comon is it for them to get sick and out of say 10 pups how many are likely to get ill
 
There's loads of stuff on the web about pugs! We went to visit a local breeder, "shock!" and she was really very helpful! We didn't go with her in the end, but the advice she gave was invaluable!

As for health issues, touch wood our two are in good health, they get walked twice a day and we check their eyes regularly.

Other than breathing issues, getting a bit podgy and overheating, there are two main issues.

Cos they've got big googly eyes, they are very susceptible to scratched eyes.

Necrotizing meningoencephalitis, which affects their nervous system and brain is fatal in most cases and nobody really knows why it happens.

They also suffer from hip displasia (sp?!) with as many as 70% being affected I've been told!

Pretty rubbish, but with the exception of NME, most issues can be avoided through proper care.

We love our little pugs, they're very cheeky and are so much fun to have around! The first time they pull a tongue at you, you'll laugh for hours!

Ultimately, you'll have to make your decision! Might even be worth popping to the pdsa or somewhere and having a natter.

Good luck with what you choose to do!
 
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