Impact of home grown players rule on teams

When do these sides have to name squads? Arsenal's own website lists 26 players.

I've never quite understood that any nationality can be considered home grown even if they're not English. Cesc for example, if my understanding is correct, can be classed as home grown.

I suppose it's that if they've played for more than 3 years here then said player would be eligible for England, but then all (bar Almunia) eventually get called up by their own 'home' countries.

I can't really understand the reasoning behind the rules, and neither do they themselves make sense.
 
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The home grown rule is that they must have been here for 3 years before they reach 21 years of age, so have in effect been trained up in England or Wales in football.

Final squads must be named by 5pm 1st September
 
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Greenlizard0 said:
When do these sides have to name squads? Arsenal's own website lists 26 players.

I've never quite understood that any nationality can be considered home grown even if they're not English. Cesc for example, if my understanding is correct, can be classed as home grown.

I suppose it's that if they've played for more than 3 years here then said player would be eligible for England, but then all (bar Almunia) eventually get called up by their own 'home' countries.

I can't really understand the reasoning behind the rules, and neither do they themselves make sense.
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September 1st before 5pm.

Any player registered with the clube between the age of 16 and 21 and has been with them for three years is classed as homegrown. I dont they have to be with the club for three years before their 21st birthday though.

Outside of this 25 strong squad any number of under 21's can play still. Makes me think that Wiltshere wont be going anywhere this season. So you could sign a player at 20 years old and when he reaches 23 he is classed as homegrown. I think that is right.

City seem like the ones that will be effected mostly by this as they will have about 8 senior players sitting in the crowd with no chance of a game. Could be some nice bargains picked up there. ;)

Do they have any CBs? We could do with some more.
 
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I'm severely confused by that article. :confused::confused::confused:
It looks like it was knocked up by some journalist in haste without really sitting down and thinking about the reality of the situation, just trying to be sensationalist.

For Arsenal, it says only 6 homegrown over-21s meaning they can only name a squad of 23 senior players. Yet whether they are over-21 is totally irrelevant, you can still be a 'senior' player in terms of being a member of the first team squad at an age under 21, and you can still be homegrown, at an age under-21 (Wilshere, Ramsey, Gibbs, Clichy, Eastmond.... the list is endless)

Here's my squad of 25 for Arsenal:

Almunia
Fabianski
*Mannone

Vermaelen
Koscielny
Sagna
*Clichy
*Djourou
*Gibbs
*Eastmond
Eboue

Arshavin
*Fabregas
Nasri
Rosicky
*Song
*Ramsey
*Wilshere
Diaby
*Denilson

*Walcott
*Bendtner
Chamakh
Van Persie
*Vela

* = homegrown

Now bear in mind, I literally didn't even have to think to get 8 home grown players (over half my squad is homegrown) and a total of 25, no faffing about looking for some extreme reserve players, it just fell into place, all players who were used last season (or new signings obviously). As far as I can see, this new ruling has absolutely ZERO impact on Arsenal's squad from a home-grown perspective (obviously there is the limit of 25, meaning no room for Traore and other promising youngsters like Simpson, Lansbury, Sczenzny etc, but that's to be expected, most clubs have over 25 players) ?!?!?!? :confused: :confused: :confused:


edit: some confusion about whether you can have infinite u21 players, it's not mentioned here: http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2094341,00.html
but it is mentioned here: http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2094341,00.html
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If that's the case then it has even less effect on Arsenal as they can further bolster their squad with youngsters.
 
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HangTime said:
I'm severely confused by that article. :confused::confused::confused:
It looks like it was knocked up by some journalist in haste without really sitting down and thinking about the reality of the situation, just trying to be sensationalist.

For Arsenal, it says only 6 homegrown over-21s meaning they can only name a squad of 23 senior players. Yet whether they are over-21 is totally irrelevant, you can still be a 'senior' player in terms of being a member of the first team squad at an age under 21, and you can still be homegrown, at an age under-21 (Wilshere, Ramsey, Gibbs, Clichy, Eastmond.... the list is endless)

Here's my squad of 25 for Arsenal:

Almunia
Fabianski
*Mannone

Vermaelen
Koscielny
Sagna
*Clichy
*Djourou
*Gibbs
*Eastmond
Eboue

Arshavin
*Fabregas
Nasri
Rosicky
*Song
*Ramsey
*Wilshere
Diaby
*Denilson

*Walcott
*Bendtner
Chamakh
Van Persie
*Vela

* = homegrown

Now bear in mind, I literally didn't even have to think to get 8 home grown players (over half my squad is homegrown) and a total of 25, no faffing about looking for some extreme reserve players, it just fell into place, all players who were used last season (or new signings obviously). As far as I can see, this new ruling has absolutely ZERO impact on Arsenal's squad from a home-grown perspective (obviously there is the limit of 25, meaning no room for Traore and other promising youngsters like Simpson, Lansbury, Sczenzny etc, but that's to be expected, most clubs have over 25 players) ?!?!?!? :confused: :confused: :confused:
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Any players like Wilshere dont need to be named though in the 25 as they are under 21 which means they can play anyway without being named in the squad.

Greenlizard0 said:
Would Diaby also be classed as home grown? He arrived aged 20, and has been here since 2006.
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Yes I think he does.
 
bloodline76 said:
City seem like the ones that will be effected mostly by this as they will have about 8 senior players sitting in the crowd with no chance of a game. Could be some nice bargains picked up there. ;)

Do they have any CBs? We could do with some more.
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Cheers.

This could lead to squad unrest, and I doubt they'd really care at this stage of their development in holding anybody to ransom so as to speak.

Not sure if we'd be interested in anybody though. Looking at their squad the only players we've been linked to in the past have been Micah Richards (maybe), SWP (no thanks) and De Jong (no thanks, though saying that we could do with an absolute nut in the side). Viera, Kompany and Bellamy might be enticing.. perhaps.
 
People are getting confused here, its not that you have been here for 3 years, its that you have been here for 3 years BEFORE you are 21, so no, Diaby wouldn't count as home grown.
 
Arsenal actually have 7 players at the moment I believe:

Mannone
Clichy
Song (although he was on loan at first, so I've no idea how that works)
Denilson
Djourou
Fabregas
Bendtner

In a squad of 26, 7 are under 21 so I'm not sure how the Mail seem to think it will be an issue.
 
I don't think Diaby would be classed as homegrown as he didn't train here for 3 years before being 21... he joined in Jan 2006, meaning he was here 3 years in Jan 2009, which season started in 2008, and in on 1st January 2008 he was 21.
 
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People are getting confused here, its not that you have been here for 3 years, its that you have been here for 3 years BEFORE you are 21, so no, Diaby wouldn't count as home grown.
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Well they said in another of their articles that they have to be "registered" between the age of 16 to 21 and then at the club for 3 years. It didnt say anything about the 3 years having to be during the ages of 16 to 21. Might have just read it wrong though. ;)

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OK here is a nice explanation:

But what will they actually mean in practice? BBC Sport explains the key points of the new system:

- Clubs register a squad of up to 25 players, which must include at least eight 'home-grown' players, at the end of each transfer window.

- Home-grown players do not have to be English; home-grown players are defined as those who "irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday"

- Clubs can supplement squad with unlimited number of players under the age of 21.

- Changes can be made only during transfer windows, although in exceptional circumstances (eg goalkeeping injury crisis) moves could be allowed.

- Players loaned to Football League clubs cannot be replaced, but can regain their spot on return to parent club.

- Rules apply only to Premier League matches, not European, FA Cup or League Cup action.

- First deadline is 1700 BST on 1 September (24 hours after end of August transfer window).

(Full explanation available on Premier League website)

So yes you have to be with the club for three years before their 21st birthday. Does it have to be your club though?

"affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday"
 
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Correct, Diaby joined after his 19th Birthday so doesn't qualify.

In effect you have to have trained in England/Wales before your 19th birthday. It will be interesting to see how or if this effects Scottish/Irish players
 
Wigan is shocking, went from English home grown, to just buying foreigners now, sad sight but presume its the only way to stay in the prem with cheapish talented foreign players. Cant think of any players coming through except Baines/Taylor and they went years ago
 
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People are getting confused here, its not that you have been here for 3 years, its that you have been here for 3 years BEFORE you are 21, so no, Diaby wouldn't count as home grown.
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bloodline76 said:
Well they said in another of their articles that they have to be "registered" between the age of 16 to 21 and then at the club for 3 years. It didnt say anything about the 3 years having to be during the ages of 16 to 21. Might have just read it wrong though. ;)
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Think we've read the same Premier League article, it does read (in my opinion ;)) how we both interpreted it first bloodline76.

Bit clearer now. It'll be interesting. That's one more reason to keep Cesc now that he's classed as homegrown.
 
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