Impact of home grown players rule on teams

Dave Whelan did an interview on that with the currant bun today, basically he said it pained him as a proud englishman, but English players simply aren't good enough. Martinez has bought 12 players and the only Englishman was Moses (born in Nigeria).
 
bloodline76 said:
Well they said in another of their articles that they have to be "registered" between the age of 16 to 21 and then at the club for 3 years. It didnt say anything about the 3 years having to be during the ages of 16 to 21. Might have just read it wrong though. ;)

- Home-grown players do not have to be English; home-grown players are defined as those who "irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday"
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Yeah that's the key part, they must have been registered in England or Wales for 3 full years before they turn 21. So if you buy someone at 20 , they don't become home grown at 23 because that's not 3 years before turning 21. It's one of the ironies of the system that England international Owen hargreaves actually doesn't count as home grown :)
 
Greenlizard0 said:
Think we've read the same Premier League article, it does read (in my opinion ;)) how we both interpreted it first bloodline76.

Bit clearer now. It'll be interesting. That's one more reason to keep Cesc now that he's classed as homegrown.
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Doesnt this rule give the other nations an advantage over us though? This is only in the EPL isnt it? I think teams like Barca and the like will love this.

I know it doesnt count for the CL but these players arent going to be very match fit if they only play in the CL.
 
AFAIK it is based on the UEFA ruling announced a couple of years back, where they were going to stagger it (4 homegrown one season, 6 homegrown the next, then finally 8 homegrown).

It really won't have much affect on our clubs at all, nearly all of them can manage 8+ homegrown or u21 players (bear in mind u21 doesn't actually mean u21, it means players born in 1989 or later, so by the time we get to the business end of the CL you could have 22 year olds playing who are 'under-21'). Jack Wilshere should benefit from this has he was born on 1st January 1992, that means come the 2014 CL final he will still be "under 21".
 
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HangTime said:
AFAIK it is based on the UEFA ruling announced a couple of years back, where they were going to stagger it (4 homegrown one season, 6 homegrown the next, then finally 8 homegrown).

It really won't have much affect on our clubs at all, nearly all of them can manage 8+ homegrown or u21 players (bear in mind u21 doesn't actually mean u21, it means players born in 1989 or later, so by the time we get to the business end of the CL you could have 22 year olds playing who are 'under-21'). Jack Wilshere should benefit from this has he was born on 1st January 1992, that means come the 2014 CL final he will still be "under 21".
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I hope he is there too ;) As long as he sticks with his current club :p
 
HangTime said:
Dave Whelan did an interview on that with the currant bun today, basically he said it pained him as a proud englishman, but English players simply aren't good enough. Martinez has bought 12 players and the only Englishman was Moses (born in Nigeria).
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He just doesn't want to pay, I mean, why get rid of Baines and Taylor MONEY
 
Well obviously money comes into it, but the point is, why pay £5m for an Englishman (Championship player) when johnny foreigner of equal ability is half the price?

If there were enough good English players, they wouldn't be so overpriced.
 
Arsenal's current first-team squad contains 26 players, of which 13 are counted as home grown, and seven are Under-21s.

The breakdown is as follows.

1 Manuel Almunia (May 19, 1977)
2 Abou Diaby (May 11, 1986)
3 Bacary Sagna (February 14, 1983)
4 Cesc Fabregas (May 4, 1987)
5 Thomas Vermaelen (November 14, 1985)
6 Laurent Koscielny
7 Tomas Rosicky (October 4, 1980)
8 Samir Nasri (June 26, 1987)
11 Robin van Persie (August 6, 1983)
12 Carlos Vela (March 1, 1989)*
14 Theo Walcott (March 16, 1989)*
15 Denilson (February 16, 1988)
16 Aaron Ramsey (December 26, 1990)*
17 Alex Song (September 9, 1987)
19 Jack Wilshere (January 1, 1992)*
20 Johan Djourou (January 18, 1987)
21 Lukasz Fabianski (April 18, 1985)
22 Gael Clichy (July 26, 1985)
23 Andrey Arshavin (May 29, 1981)
24 Vito Mannone (March 2, 1988)
27 Emmanuel Eboue (June 4, 1983)
28 Kieran Gibbs (September 26, 1989)*
29 Marouane Chamakh (January 10, 1984)
30 Armand Traore (October 8, 1989)*
52 Nicklas Bendtner (January 16, 1988)
53 Wojciech Szczesny (April 18, 1990)*

Players in BOLD = home grown
* = Under-21 for season 2010/11
(date in brackets is player's date of birth)

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/new-squad-regulations-for-this-season
 
yeah, as others have said, a nonsense to suggest Arsenal will be disaffected by that rule, more high class reporting from the Daily Fail.
Liverpool and Man City and Spurs are in worse positions, Liverpool are short of Homegrown players, but of the three only Man City will really have to think hard about which senior players they omit from the 25. Spurs might have to leave a couple of players out (I didn't realise how big their squad was), Dirty 'Arry said Woodgate was unlikely to be included, but if they send a couple of their players out on loans as expected they'll comfortably be down to 25 and they have an abundance of homegrown players..
 
bloodline76 said:
So yes you have to be with the club for three years before their 21st birthday. Does it have to be your club though?

"affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday"
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No.

I don't know how useful this is, but in Football Manager the season is structured exactly like that article.

However the eight home grown players is split in half

Meaning
4 of which must have trained for 3 years at your squad before the age of 21.
4 must have just trained in England/Wales for 3 years before the age of 21.
 
^I think that's the UEFA ruling (so CL/EL presumably, not EPL).

edit: bit annoyed at Eastmond not being considered for our first team squad, surely a better option that Traore? Interesting to see Flappyhandski omitted, surely he must be on the way out?
 
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This won't be a problem for Chelsea especially with Ballack & Deco leaving and possibly Carvalho & Ferriera.
At least 5 of our 'home grown' kids will be in the squad this year, probably Kakuta, Bruma, van Aanholt, Hutchinson + A.N. Other and they're good enough.
So that 5 plus, Turnbull, Cole, Terry, Lampard, Sturridge and 15 more is no worry :)
 
JohnnyG said:
This won't be a problem for Chelsea especially with Ballack & Deco leaving and possibly Carvalho & Ferriera.
At least 5 of our 'home grown' kids will be in the squad this year, probably Kakuta, Bruma, van Aanholt, Hutchinson + A.N. Other and they're good enough.
So that 5 plus, Turnbull, Cole, Terry, Lampard, Sturridge and 15 more is no worry :)
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Kakuta isnt home grown though surely? I thought Chelsea only bought him last year?

EDIT : Ah wait no..hang on, he came up to the senior squad last year didnt he, was there before hand. No probs then , my bad :)
 
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