In terms of hardware design (not power) why is XBO so poorly put together?

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It's built with 40nm rather than 28nm process so consumes more power (confirmed probably incorrect), it's much bigger, it has a power brick, and on top of that it's more expensive.

Why are Microsoft so far behind Sony on the hardware front? The 360 slim was OK but the ps4 makes the XBO look like a poorly assembled box with a bunch of parts inside where as the ps4 is obviously very well designed from the ground up and looks like a coherent package much like apples products do.

Why didn't Microsoft get the Surface designers to work on the XBO to consolidate the design into something coherent and small?
Why do they need a power brick and even with a much smaller console Sony doesn't?
Why is the XBO so poorly constructed and designed?

I'm not talking about power here I'm just talking about the industrial design of the parts and assembly.
 
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Never heard it running hotter as we havent got full retail versions of either consoles. MS wanted a unit that fit in with current AV stuff, also costs was kept at a point where they can start making profit on the console pretty much at the start. Its all design choices, what they was trying to do and keeping costs on point, plus I dont think they have the hardware design that Sony can use.
 
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It runs hotter, it's much bigger, it has a power brick, and on top of that it's more expensive.

Why are Microsoft so far behind Sony on the hardware front? The 360 slim was OK but the ps4 makes the XBO look like a poorly assembled box with a bunch of parts inside where as the ps4 is obviously very well designed from the ground up and looks like a coherent package much like apples products do.

Why didn't Microsoft get the Surface designers to work on the XBO to consolidate the design into something coherent and small?
Why do they need a power brick and even with a much smaller console Sony doesn't?
Why is the XBO so poorly constructed and designed?

I'm not talking about power here I'm just talking about the industrial design of the parts and assembly.
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Source? Or did you come to this conclusion yourself somehow?
 
grimm said:
Source? Or did you come to this conclusion yourself somehow?
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I expect the OP has pulled these conclusions from a very dark place. I am unsure how the Xbox One could run hotter than a PS4 considering it's not as powerful and in a much bigger case.
 
Ive not heard of the concerns neither, but to me its a rushed hardware design to get it to market and theyve naturally erred on the side of caution and over engineered some bits of it (the massive fan!). It does resemble a HTPC assembly to me...

I dont forsee any issues with it, but yeah its not going to win any engineering design awards

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
There's been no reports of the XB1 running hot. In terms of the package they actually come in, Sony is a hardware company so they have an advantage there, and also MS were going for the whole cable box under the TV thing and so didn't really need to package it as tightly anyway.
 
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Ive not heard of the concerns neither, but to me its a rushed hardware design to get it to market and theyve naturally erred on the side of caution and over engineered some bits of it (the massive fan!). It does resemble a HTPC assembly to me...

I dont forsee any issues with it, but yeah its not going to win any engineering design awards

ps3ud0 :cool:
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When it comes to cooling, over engineering isn't a bad thing. If it greatly reduces the chances of something like the RRoD or the YLoD happening again then good. I suspect that has factored quite a lot in to MS's design as Xboxes were hit far worse with the RRoD than the PS3s were with the YLoD.
 
I personally think the XO looks better than the PS4. I want something that will blend in under my tv whereas the odd angles of the ps4 would look odd to me.

I do worry about the cooling of the ps4 once it sucks up some dust.
 
spoffle said:
I expect the OP has pulled these conclusions from a very dark place. I am unsure how the Xbox One could run hotter than a PS4 considering it's not as powerful and in a much bigger case.
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Disagree with your conclusion here, a bigger case doesnt necessarily mean a cooler interior, its far more about decent airflow in and out of the case rather than the actual dimensions of it.

Just look at the improvements BTX had over ATX when it came directed airflow and thermal design.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
I think both look pretty nasty tbh

Not really liked the look of a console since the PS1... N64 was alright and I want to say SNES, but I think im just remembering how I loved that controller.
 
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I disagree with your conclusion here, a bigger case doesnt necessarily mean a cooler interior, its far more about decent airflow in and out of the case rather than the actual dimensions of it.

Just look at the improvements BTX had over ATX when it came directed airflow and thermal design.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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It's not really something to disagree with, I never mentioned directed airflow.

A larger case with more air space will perform better with directed airflow than a smaller case with directed airflow, there is more space to place vents to direct said airflow, as well as more space for a larger cooling unit and a larger fan.
 
Spoffle, sometimes your posts come over as you actually dont know what you are talking about, but dont want to admit it and just post a relatively nonsensical reply for the sake of it. Just wanted to point that out as theres really no need for it...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Yeah, no. Can you tell me where I said the things that you disagreed with, and why your own assumptions are being projected on to me?

You've taken a small point of what I said, and then invented extra content to argue against.
 
I would assume part of the XO design is to fit in naturally under a TV or in an AV rack as a "set top box" type device. I'd also assume the size and huge quantity of air vents was to be ultra cautious on over heating after 360 RROD problems and also to allow a large/slow cooling fan to keep the box almost silent as opposed to the on rushing train my 360 can sound like sometimes :) I guess keeping the PSU external is another decision around the cool/quiet design imperative.

Much like others not heard any reports of either console having overheating problems.
 
The simple answer is Sony is a hardware manufacturing company and is one of the very best in the world. Microsoft is a software company and does not have much experience in hardware design and manufacturing.

Secondly Microsoft is playing it safe after suffering epidemic failure rates on the 360.
 
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