Honestly you arent doing yourself any favours here, your reply just demonstrates my point. Sorry Im just one of those people that say it how I see it...
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In terms of hardware design (not power) why is XBO so poorly put together?
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I dont really care what it looks like as long as it fits on the shelf and isnt dragging my eye to it with flashing neon lights all over it.
Its fairly big yes but its a black box with a slot and some lights on the front.
1" tall or 3" tall doesnt matter its going in the same slot on my AV unit.
Black is better than the ugly colour of the original 360 though.
And frankly anyone trollin from a PS slant needs to remember the george foreman grill I had in the slot that my xbox one will be taking.
Its fairly big yes but its a black box with a slot and some lights on the front.
1" tall or 3" tall doesnt matter its going in the same slot on my AV unit.
Black is better than the ugly colour of the original 360 though.
And frankly anyone trollin from a PS slant needs to remember the george foreman grill I had in the slot that my xbox one will be taking.
Honestly you arent doing yourself any favours here, your reply just demonstrates my point. Sorry Im just one of those people that say it how I see it...
ps3ud0
Why not back up your claims instead of thinking it's good enough to just make a statement and leave it at that?
The way you "see it" is the issue, especially considering you've ignored a further post I made after selectively quoting something I said.
I've already asked you to demonstrate where I said the things you've used to argue against my post, you haven't done that, you've just gone ad-hom instead.
Converse with some maturity, or don't quote me in future.
With regards to the PSU being external, thats just a design decision MS have always gone for, I dont think the way the XO has been built considered it being internal as that decision (having the PSU external) was made first...
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To be fair a bigger case with more air vents usually means a larger slower spinning and therefore quieter fan can be accommodated to allow for larger volumes of air to be moved relatively quietly. Of course that doesn't preclude using smaller fans moving lower volumes of air cleverly targeted coupled with passive cooling through the case to achieve the same effect.
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With regards to the PSU being external, thats just a design decision MS have always gone for, I dont think the way the XO has been built considered it being internal as that decision (having the PSU external) was made first...
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Not sure why they bother, it's not like the PSU's in either console failed at a rate where removing it from the box would provide any benefits.
All ready have a bunch of spaghetti behind the telly without needing to find room for an enormous brick. Usually means having to pull the cabinet a few inches away from the wall.
Of course, but don't let that get in the way of his selective quoting and straw man arguments.
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Exactly, it all depends how well designed the cases are - a smaller case with good negative pressure and a well streamlined interior for airflow will cool more efficiently than a large case with poor negative pressure and lots of area to trap air.
If both have put equal effort into their cooling designs however you'd expect the larger case to do better.
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I'm tempted to make a thread, Throw loads of random "facts" together and see if people can tell me why these "facts" are "genuine" and why the company in question hasn’t rectified these "problems"
OK I gave you a chance...
No having a larger case with the same directed airflow will not realise a lower temperature, the reason being is that directed airflow is concentrated over the heat-generating components rather than the whole case; the size of the case is an irrelevant consideration for this airflow and therefore your conclusion was poorly made.
Indeed there is a possibility in a smaller case that it could be cooler because there wont be the dead air space to accumulate (you dont want non-moving air when it comes to thermal design) like it would in a larger case - notice I didnt mention this as far as Im concerned its not a realistic possibility as its easy enough to avoid.
As I said look at the Intel BTX white papers
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I'm thinking that without any sources to back up this running hotter claim, the thread will be closed. OP, you've got till 6 then I'll close it.
OK I gave you a chance...
No having a larger case with the same directed airflow will not realise a lower temperature, the reason being is that directed airflow is concentrated over the heat-generating components rather than the whole case; the size of the case is irrespective of this airflow and therefore your conclusion was poorly made.
Indeed there is a possibility in a smaller case that it could be cooler because there wont be the dead air space to accumulate (you dont want non-moving air when it comes to thermal design) like it would in a larger case - notice I didnt mention this as far as Im concerned its not a realistic possibility as its easy enough to avoid.
As I said look at the Intel BTX white papers...
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You are disregarding the point that you have invented those additional parts.
Your argument would be valid if I had said it would be cooler based solely on the virtue of it being in a larger case, I did not say that at all, hence my complaint that you have added to what I said then argued against the points you added.
I know all about BTX as well, again you are adding content then arguing against that.
I was making a comment that MS could have used the extra case space to use a larger cooling unit with greater surface area to ensure that nothing like the RRoD happens again.
It's a safe assumption to make that both consoles will be using directed airflow considering the overheating issues of both the PS3 and 360, so if you could give the strawman arguments a rest, It'd be greatly appreciated.
Just LOL
As they say 'better to be thought of as an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm it'
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Have edited OP, every other point is valid so I don't think it should be closed.. It's built with 40nm rather than 28nm which means it will be less energy efficient.
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Disagree with your conclusion here, a bigger case doesnt necessarily mean a cooler interior, its far more about decent airflow in and out of the case rather than the actual dimensions of it.
Just look at the improvements BTX had over ATX when it came directed airflow and thermal design.
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Just look at the new iMac!
Just LOL
As they say 'better to be thought of as an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm it'
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You're becoming really tiresome now. What is your issue? Do you have difficulty understand when someone says something, and when someone doesn't say something?
Where did I say "based solely on the virtue of it being in a bigger case"? Because you're insisting that I meant that.
That's based on his foolish assumptions, made to try and make out like I'm talking rubbish.
With all things being equal, an iMac in a case case that allows them to use a larger cooling unit would perform better thermally due to the greater cooling surface area.
Its not my issue, if you dont know what you are on about and make poor conclusions expect them to be picked up, especially as you constantly seem to do the same to other people when they post.
Ive qualified my point so wriggle all you want, its obvious you generally dont know what you are on about.
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