input delay, stutter, weird internet, usb error

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this just states all the problems i listed, am i just being stupid to rush ahead and say its a motherboard problem? is there any tests i can do to rule out the motherboard before I start buying random stuff for no reason.
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Yes .

Play the game offline no stutters probably network lag .

Reinstall windows and update drivers many times I've done this and it's fixed problems, could be corrupted file but which one or a plethera of other things but don't start replacing hardware beforehand, at least a fresh install will give you a clean starting point


You've been chasing this for years by you own admission
 
Tetras said:
Is that generated by AI? It is too vague and I don't find it helpful.

I'm getting lost in this thread for what we have already suggested, but I would prioritise the following:
- Install and run CrystalDiskInfo so that we can check the SSD is in good health.
- Check for symptoms of the fTPM issue (very well known with AM4 systems like yours).
- Check the event viewer for events with a timestamp that is close to your experience of significant lag/stutter. This could give helpful clues of issues we have not considered yet.
- Change the ports your devices are connected to (USB 2 / USB 3), to try and include the advice about resource sharing that relates to the error.
- I would personally also disable and/or uninstall RGB and motherboard software, since it is known to cause hiccups with the CPU.

Suggestions that cost money:
- A replacement ethernet cable, especially since yours doesn't seem to be in good condition.
- Alternative ethernet chip, preferably a PCI-E card rather than USB.
- A basic wired keyboard and mouse.

Replace the motherboard is VERY far down my list of potential solutions and would be expensive and challenging for a novice.
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this is crystaldisk info https://imgur.com/a/mLAVnxn (not sure is serial number is important blanked it out)
do i need to do anything specific or just the picture is good?

I have no idea what fTPM is I will take a look at this tomorrow.

Unfortunately to check for the stutter during my game it will have to be thursday. thats when it happens most during the raid in my game. i will post back again with even viewer results and timestamps.

I will also change the ports tomorrow of what I have plugged in.

Only software I have is logitech hub for my mouse. I used macro's and stuff for specific game, along with dpi setting.

I want to thank you for your time. I will post again tomorrow or perhaps thursday with updates. Appreciate the help!
 
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Yes .

Play the game offline no stutters probably network lag .

Reinstall windows and update drivers many times I've done this and it's fixed problems, could be corrupted file but which one or a plethera of other things but don't start replacing hardware beforehand, at least a fresh install will give you a clean starting point


You've been chasing this for years by you own admission
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This specific game is online only. I don't really play offline games unfortunately. I will wait until thursday and see if the game stutters again and I will consider the option of a fresh install. Thank you.
 
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Samhfx said:
this is crystaldisk info https://imgur.com/a/JcEkFTX
do i need to do anything specific or just the picture is good?
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From what I can see, it is fine. There are zero errors being reported, which there would not be if the flash was going bad.

Samhfx said:
I have no idea what fTPM is I will take a look at this tomorrow.
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If you have AMD's integrated TPM enabled (required to install Windows 11, unless you have a hardware TPM) it can cause stuttering (not just in games either). I believe AMD have said that they have addressed the issue, but opinions vary.

I do agree though, that a reinstall of Windows, with new drivers (especially chipset) and other software is a good idea.

USB issues were also common on some AM4 boards with an early BIOS, if you have never updated it.

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Unfortunately to check for the stutter during my game it will have to be thursday. thats when it happens most during the raid in my game. i will post back again with even viewer results and timestamps.
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Is there no single player game you could just use for testing? What about a multiplayer game where you play with bots?

We could really benefit from trying to remove the Internet from this issue, because otherwise it makes it way more complicated to diagnose.

Samhfx said:
Only software I have is logitech hub for my mouse. I used macro's and stuff for specific game, along with dpi setting.
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Sounds fine, in theory.
 
Tetras said:
From what I can see, it is fine. There are zero errors being reported, which there would not be if the flash was going bad.


If you have AMD's integrated TPM enabled (required to install Windows 11, unless you have a hardware TPM) it can cause stuttering (not just in games either). I believe AMD have said that they have addressed the issue, but opinions vary.
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I tried to search this up. my system doesn't have it enabled. https://imgur.com/a/OXP8jJj

Tetras said:
I do agree though, that a reinstall of Windows, with new drivers (especially chipset) and other software is a good idea.

USB issues were also common on some AM4 boards with an early BIOS, if you have never updated it.


Is there no single player game you could just use for testing? What about a multiplayer game where you play with bots?

We could really benefit from trying to remove the Internet from this issue, because otherwise it makes it way more complicated to diagnose.


Sounds fine, in theory.
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As of now it's just one game that stutters. The game is very old and not optimized very well so I'm going to go ahead and say it's just that game that stutters. All the other games I play have the lag/delay, when it happens next I will report back. Just difficult to run tests offline etc when the problem isn't currently happening.

I have never updated my bios afaik. I remember building the pc and just installing windows. I'm always afraid I'll mess something up when I change bios stuff etc. I'm hoping it is the internet because a motherboard problem is just a pain i hate it.
 
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Samhfx said:
I'm hoping it is the internet because a motherboard problem is just a pain i hate it.
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Stutter/lag reports are super common and the fixes can be all kinds of weird stuff, from: "I turned the microwave off!" to "I stopped watching football during raids", so my own opinion is that any kind of hardware changes are a last resort, especially since if you can't be sure what the problem is, it might just be replicated with the new PC (we see that often too, on forums like this).

Samhfx said:
All the other games I play have the lag/delay, when it happens next I will report back. Just difficult to run tests offline etc when the problem isn't currently happening.
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I see, okay.

Samhfx said:
I tried to search this up. my system doesn't have it enabled. https://imgur.com/a/OXP8jJj
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Cool! That rules that one out.
 
A quick update. I was messing with some settings again today within nvcp and I think I found out to why one game felt choppy/laggy. It's hard to describe the problem but it feels smoother now but there still seems to be some type of miniscule delay. When I use gsync ON and vsync ON in nvcp the game feels playable but there is still a little delay but it's better. If I turn vsync OFF the game feels choppy. It's hard to describre, almost like miniscule stutter but it's not bad. The problem with the game league of legends the in-game fps cap doesn't have an option to my monitor. The options closest is 144 and 200. When I played without vsync I would have to cap to 200. Would this cause some type of choppy game play? Because when I uncap the game completely there is a huge problem of my champion (character) skipping all over the screen but I get around 400-500 fps. I have to cap the fps to stop the skipping.

I still have yet to try the other game especially during a 40 man raid to check if there is any stutter. This will be Thursday. Could my problems I listed be with messed up settings from nvcp and monitor? I've googled all the settings which I need but I feel like most fps games and having vsync on in nvcp is bad, because it causes input lag no? Maybe today was placebo but I will try play more games to test. It sucks because I don't have much time right now but I will keep checking.
 
Samhfx said:
Could my problems I listed be with messed up settings from nvcp and monitor? I've googled all the settings which I need but I feel like most fps games and having vsync on in nvcp is bad, because it causes input lag no? Maybe today was placebo but I will try play more games to test. It sucks because I don't have much time right now but I will keep checking.
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The only way I can see to know for certain, is to just disable everything and use it like a regular high refresh monitor (including vsync being off too) and set a frame cap in the graphics driver or the game settings.
 
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The only way I can see to know for certain, is to just disable everything and use it like a regular high refresh monitor (including vsync being off too) and set a frame cap in the graphics driver or the game settings.
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This is the worst possible thing for someone to try and diagnose. I'm trying to replicate the stutter/lag and the more I'm messing with settings the more it's messing with my head and I don't know whats right and wrong or if it's becoming placebo.

As of now;
Gsync ON with Vsync ON in nvcp works but feels like there is jerkiness in movement slightly but it's playable.
Gsync OFF and Vsync OFF in nvcp feels the same as the above. Stuttery graphically when moving but it's very slight.
Gsync ON and Vsync OFF feels like there is input delay. Feels sluggish.

It is not normal for a gamer to have to change their nvcp settings for every game just to make it run smoothly? Next I will try everything OFF but limit my frames in nvcp to my refresh rate of 165.
Tomorrow I will download a FPS game because MMO and a MOBA game might not be the best games to test this in.
 
The internet problem occured today too.

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when i fiddle with the cable at the back it then fixes

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The internet problem occured today too.

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when i fiddle with the cable at the back it then fixes

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Can you check the event viewer for that specific time?

I can't really see an alternative there though, except buying a new cable, or a new ethernet card.

Samhfx said:
Next I will try everything OFF but limit my frames in nvcp to my refresh rate of 165.
Tomorrow I will download a FPS game because MMO and a MOBA game might not be the best games to test this in.
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I think that would be most helpful.
 
Tetras said:
Can you check the event viewer for that specific time?

I can't really see an alternative there though, except buying a new cable, or a new ethernet card.


I think that would be most helpful.
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Damn. I completely forgot about event viewer. Since I unplugged the cable multiple times I don't know which error would be the correct one at the time.

should be the ones towards the bottom i guess https://imgur.com/a/8GPJ4Fw
 
Quick update. I don't know what I did or change but today I only encoluntered two stutters. It was very small and didn't really notice it. However I had MSI Afterburner running and the first time it happened I forgot to check my onscreen display but the second time I managed to see my CPU usage spike to 60-65 I think. Can a spike in CPU cause the stutter like that I guess?

This is what it showed before I started my raid in WoW. This was IDLE in the game - https://imgur.com/a/LxwstAc
During the game when I'm moving it usually increases to 35-45. I guess the CPU spike to 60 is what caused the stutter? How do I fix that? I guess it could be the game aswell.

Also I ended up downloading battlefield to test if I get any stutters. I had a lot of freezes but I think it was because gsyc and vsync was enabled which capped my fps to my refresh rate. From what I read I need to uncap my fps in this type of game. The more frames I get the less it stutters I would assume? I just hate how I have to change settings depending on what game I want to play. Is this normal?

Sorry for the all the quesiton marks. I still have a lot of questions but things felt better today. I had gsync and vsync enabled in nvcp and I have reflex + boost ingame enabled.
 
Tetras said:
You may want to read more about this feature and opinions, etc:


It is possible if the game is hammering a core or two due to a coding issue, hard to say really.
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I have a question. I downloaded battlefield but I'm struggling to understand what settings to use now. for example, if i play the game fully maxed out obviously my fps goes low but if i have gsync on it's bad right? do i have to turn gsync off if i was to play on high graphic settings? if not i can lower and just match my refresh rate.
 
Samhfx said:
I have a question. I downloaded battlefield but I'm struggling to understand what settings to use now. for example, if i play the game fully maxed out obviously my fps goes low but if i have gsync on it's bad right? do i have to turn gsync off if i was to play on high graphic settings? if not i can lower and just match my refresh rate.
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So far as I'm aware, VRR is most useful when your framerate is very different to the refresh rate, so for example:
- 200 fps in the game, but 100 Hz refresh, or
- 30 fps in the game, but 100 Hz refresh

I think Hardware Unboxed (YouTube) has some detailed videos on the topic.

However, for the purpose of troubleshooting stuttering and trying to eliminate the cause, I will still recommend that you turn all of these features off, including gsync and v-sync.
 
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So far as I'm aware, VRR is most useful when your framerate is very different to the refresh rate, so for example:
- 200 fps in the game, but 100 Hz refresh, or
- 30 fps in the game, but 100 Hz refresh

I think Hardware Unboxed (YouTube) has some detailed videos on the topic.

However, for the purpose of troubleshooting stuttering and trying to eliminate the cause, I will still recommend that you turn all of these features off, including gsync and v-sync.
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Hey,

So I've been doing some tests recently and I may of discovered why the game stutters. I didn't test it for all games yet this was an entirely different game. I downloaded Vermintide 2 because it's rather demanding. At first I put the graphics on the lowest possible to try and achieve as much fps as possible in order to meet my refresh rate. Which kind of worked but this is when I believe the stutters occur. During certain parts and specific maps my fps would drop from 158 to as low as 140/130 and sometimes 120 at time. During those fps drops is when I get the hiccup, or so called stutter (i think). I also monitored my gpu/cpu temps/usage and I did notice my CPU spiking from 50-85% randomly. I can't tell if this is what is causing the fps drops and if this is why I get the stutter but I did some research apparently the usage increasing and decreasing for a 5800x is normal, I think.

I don't know why I didn't think of this before but seeing my fps drop that low randomly I thought to myself what if I cap my fps at the lowest point of the drops. So lets say cap my fps to 144 (I used the ingame selection as a test) and the game did feel somewhat smoother.
This time I put my graphics fully maxed on extreme. My fps reaches up to 130-140. So I decided to use the ingame cap again but cap it to 122 since it was the one below 144. And would you know I'm playing the game maxed out and it feels somewhat smooth again.

Now my question is what is the downside to me doing this? Is this a normal thing to do? I don't understand how I didn't read or think of this sooner. Every possible troubleshooting method I've read by googling and posting here for example said I need to match my frames just under gsync range to my refresh rate.
If I was to play a game fully maxed out because I want the good graphics visually (i don't just for testing purposes) so there's nothing wrong with my capping my fps 40-60 below my refresh rate despite having gsync enabled and vsync enabled in nvcp along with 165hz enabled?

I hope what I typed out made somewhat any sense, thank you.
 
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