Instagram + New Age Verification System

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 09:55

So it begins. Uses a Yoti service whereby you are verified via a video so no ID is required to be uploaded.

Instagram debuts new age-verification tools in UK and EU

Users changing their date of birth to that of an adult can upload a video of themselves to prove their age.

www.bbc.co.uk

Meta, which owns Instagram, says the technology cannot identify anything about users except their age and it and Yoti will delete images once this has been done.

Thekwango · 8 Nov 2022 at 09:57

GaryTheSnail said:
So it begins.

what's 'it'? isn't age verification on social media sites like Instagram a good thing?

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 09:58

Thekwango said:
what's 'iti? isn't age verification on social media sites like Instagram a good thing?

It is if it works.

Semple · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:07

Cue the odd 13 year old lad who's sporting a full on beard able to bypass video verification.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:08

Semple said:
Cue the odd 13 year old lad who's sporting a full on beard able to bypass video verification.

Not only that what stops someone else verifiying for someone else and on another note if the image verification is deleted once finished with on yoti servers does that mean you can verify over and over and over again.

dlockers · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:09

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Anyone trying to edit their date of birth from that of an under-18 to that of an over-18 must verify their age.
But now, users have the option to record a video of themselves that will be analysed by age-estimation technology, instead of uploading ID."

Seems like signing up for a new account circumvents everything.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:11

dLockers said:
Seems like signing up for a new account circumvents everything.

Very possible, it would need to be tested by researchers I think.

dlockers · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:13

GaryTheSnail said:
Very possible, it would need to be tested by researchers I think.

Gary I must know. Do you subscribe to serious strength reefer? Your posts scream absolute senility sometimes.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:22

dLockers said:
Gary I must know. Do you subscribe to serious strength reefer? Your posts scream absolute senility sometimes.

Who is Gary? English?

Jono8 · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:22

How is it possible for this to be in any way accurate? I mean it can be tough at times as a human to pinpoint someone's age. I can't see how an AI could possibly determine this, accurate down to the year.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:23

Jono8 said:
How is it possible for this to be in any way accurate? I mean it can be tough at times as a human to pinpoint someone's age. I can't see how an AI could possibly determine this, accurate down to the year.

Maybe they have been collecting and testing face id photos and personal photo album selfies to get it right?

dlockers · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:27

Jono8 said:
How is it possible for this to be in any way accurate? I mean it can be tough at times as a human to pinpoint someone's age. I can't see how an AI could possibly determine this, accurate down to the year.

Why do humans still think humans (who would need to be in an economic scenario where determining whether folks are under 13 by looking at them is a job) would be more effective than a computer in 99% of cases?

GGizmo · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:55

Let's hope these age verification systems are better than the last attempts.

The first time age verification was in action it managed to get itself involved in a massive illegal websites/images network investigation and closed down.

The second time, a company that was allowing underage material to be posted on their site was offering to be the age verifier.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 10:57

I'm hoping we have a solution then someone might come up with website plugins by api in the future to impliment such a technology.

MrRockliffe · 8 Nov 2022 at 11:02

Can't see how they're allowed to collect data/pictures/videos of minors?

Seems a massive security and data privacy risk.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 11:03

MrRockliffe said:
Can't see how they're allowed to collect data/pictures/videos of minors?

Seems a massive security and data privacy risk.

They not collecting data (or so they say). They verify via an automatic process and then (they say) the info is deleted via a 3rd party authentication service.

MrRockliffe · 8 Nov 2022 at 11:07

GaryTheSnail said:
They not collecting data (or so they say). They verify via an automatic process and then (they say) the info is deleted via a 3rd party authentication service.

If you're taking a video/selfie, which is being processed on their servers, they're collecting (and processing) data

Thekwango · 8 Nov 2022 at 11:07

MrRockliffe said:
Can't see how they're allowed to collect data/pictures/videos of minors?

Seems a massive security and data privacy risk.

it's not of minors though, unless i'm not understanding it properly.

Anyone trying to edit their date of birth from that of an under-18 to that of an over-18 must verify their age.

MrRockliffe · 8 Nov 2022 at 11:09

Thekwango said:
it's not of minors though, unless i'm not understanding it properly.

You're right, but you can imagine that there will be people under 18 attempting it - so whether or not you should 18, people will be under 18 (and probably under 16).

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Nov 2022 at 11:10

MrRockliffe said:
If you're taking a video/selfie, which is being processed on their servers, they're collecting (and processing) data

They are not collecting it. It sounds like it's processed on the fly by AI.