Intel 10th Gen Comet Lake thread

[TrM]

I can prove that you are a troll, like the army of others that occupy most of the articles under the tech press.

Look, AMD survived the years lack of competitive products offering because of its loyal supporters and fans. Today, AMD forgot its supporters, gets mad about them, and calls them "nobodies".

The chiplets design, when cutting the CPUs into two part, proves to be a flaw, and you can see that AMD can NOT afford to normally offer anything besides a single lonely 8-core chiplet.
So, this design targets the extremely high-margins server markets, while the stagnation in the PC market will depend on how many cores they would, eventually, be able to fit in the said chiplet.

Thanks to the gigantic overhead of intel, it's a giant corp with huge operational expenses, the Ryzen 3000 lineup somehow stands competitive.

If intel lowers its prices, AMD will be finished and done.

sorry but i really can't stop laughing got to say thanks for making this day soo much more funny!

Everytrhing you have said is just so miss informed

yes amd had troubles before ryzen cpu and i personaly would have never recomended a amd cpu since the athlon 64 days till ryzen But amd still had gpu sales console sale etc to keep them afloat.

the chiplet design from amd Is a amazing move from amd ANd intel will follow they ahve allready rushed though patients for stacking chiplets and other designs and i can see intel following suite in the next few years. Making a 12 core chip afordable to main stream is a really good move How much is intel 12 core again sorry i allways forget

Intel overhead has got nothing to do with any of it amd cought intel sleeping and intel will fight back back hhard they ahve the money and amn power to stomp out amd and im pirtty sure they will put everything into it

Intel will never lower there prices why sould they they are still the market leader by a long way dell hp and others make sure of that. You will not see your 10 core for 300 pounds.I f you do go for a 10 core part When intel bring them out i bet you would have spent more money then i have On my amd system

 

[humbug]

I can prove that you are a troll, like the army of others that occupy most of the articles under the tech press.

Look, AMD survived the years lack of competitive products offering because of its loyal supporters and fans. Today, AMD forgot its supporters, gets mad about them, and calls them "nobodies".

The chiplets design, when cutting the CPUs into two part, proves to be a flaw, and you can see that AMD can NOT afford to normally offer anything besides a single lonely 8-core chiplet.
So, this design targets the extremely high-margins server markets, while the stagnation in the PC market will depend on how many cores they would, eventually, be able to fit in the said chiplet.

Thanks to the gigantic overhead of intel, it's a giant corp with huge operational expenses, the Ryzen 3000 lineup somehow stands competitive.

If intel lowers its prices, AMD will be finished and done.

Today, AMD forgot its supporters, gets mad about them, and calls them "nobodies".

Where? what are you talking about?

The chiplets design, when cutting the CPUs into two part, proves to be a flaw, and you can see that AMD can NOT afford to normally offer anything besides a single lonely 8-core chiplet.
So, this design targets the extremely high-margins server markets, while the stagnation in the PC market will depend on how many cores they would, eventually, be able to fit in the said chiplet.

You don't know what you are talking about. Monolithic dies is why you don't get 12 core CPU's from Intel for $500, while Intel will soon release just 10, AMD will give us 16 cores on the mainstream platform.

The chiplet design is far more scalable that Intel's Monolithic design, its how AMD can offer 64 cores on a single package while Intel can only manage 28 cores, its why any single socket EPYC is faster than any dual socket Intel for 1/4 the price and less than half the power consumption.

Thanks to the gigantic overhead of intel, it's a giant corp with huge operational expenses, the Ryzen 3000 lineup somehow stands competitive.

If intel lowers its prices, AMD will be finished and done

If Intel lowers its price, Intel are finished and done, because of those overheads, the employees overheads of Intel alone are 10X that of AMD, then there's all the wafer processing plants all over the world that Intel need to maintain and keep upto date, AMD are Fabless, the vast amounts of R&D Intel keep sinking into things for nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Intel's overheads are 100X that of AMD, AMD can get along quite comfortably with just 10% of the market at 1/4 the price to performance of Intel, In fact AMD are growing and continuously improving their products. Intel cutting thier pricing to be more competitive with AMD will not see a vast shift back to Intel, what will happen is Intel's revenue will shrink while AMD look on as Intel start to implode.

Right now the only thing that's keeping Intel alive is brand loyalty.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

I love the performance of my tuned 9900k. It's a great chip that's coming onto a year old almost. However, that doesn't mean Intel is in a good spot.

It's like they can't adapt. They have another refresh coming up but stub their toe by requiring a change to the socket and chipset.

For enthusiasts who might be inclined to upgrade to the latest iteration, that price just went up a decent amount by adding a new mobo to the mix. Even I forget the cost, the time I need to reinstall windows alone isn't worth it.

What makes someone a fanboy is pretending those costs don't exist when slandering the competition with loosely stitched arguments that already require mental gymnastics.

I'm quite disappointed with AMD's stretching of the truth about boost clocks and expected performance. However, that doesn't put Intel in any better of a spot.

Next month we'll see 16 core chips from AMD for the consumer desktop range. Read that again. Next year, we'll see a refinement with a refresh on the same platform while Intel trips over itself. Things are about to get a lot worse.

 

[4K8KW10]

the chiplet design from amd Is a amazing move from amd ANd intel will follow they ahve allready rushed though patients for stacking chiplets and other designs and i can see intel following suite in the next few years. Making a 12 core chip afordable to main stream is a really good move How much is intel 12 core again sorry i allways forget

The chiplet design is for the company to try to improve its production costs, but in no way the chiplet design does offer lower consumer prices.
And for some reason, AMD prefers to make a single-chiplet-single sale (as with Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7) than double-chiplet-single sale (Ryzen 9). Even though, they potentially would make more money with the Ryzen 9 from two chiplets...

Where? what are you talking about?

AdoredTV.

Post here #189

 

[humbug]

The chiplet design is for the company to try to improve its production costs, but in no way the chiplet design does offer lower consumer prices.
And for some reason, AMD prefers to make a single-chiplet-single sale (as with Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7) than double-chiplet-single sale (Ryzen 9). Even though, they potentially would make more money with the Ryzen 9 from two chiplets...



AdoredTV.

Post here #189

So you turned that into:

Today, AMD forgot its supporters, gets mad about them, and calls them "nobodies".

Hotwired make a facetious comment and you turn that into AMD getting mad about its supporters calling them "nobodies"

Are you Crazy?

 

[TrM]

The chiplet design is for the company to try to improve its production costs, but in no way the chiplet design does offer lower consumer prices.
And for some reason, AMD prefers to make a single-chiplet-single sale (as with Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7) than double-chiplet-single sale (Ryzen 9). Even though, they potentially would make more money with the Ryzen 9 from two chiplets...

Post here #189

The 2 die chiplet has allowed amd to sell the ryzen 9 at helf the cost of the intel 12 core. NOw are intel charging so much for there 12 core when it costs the same to produce as the i9 9900k ? Or is the yield and proiduction of the 12 core intel cpu a lot lower and costs a lot more Either way could be true. BUt i would imagine that the 12 core intel cpu would cost more then the i9 9900k to make and bring to market

Having a cpu That can take multi chiplets will drive down production costs and allow for amd to still make a profit and still come in at a reasonable price. For me personally the 3900x was a very good price point 12 cores 24 threads for less then 500 pounds. ontop of that it beats intel in so many ways and matches and slightly behind in others.

The 3900x is 2 x ryzen 3600 binned then added to same cpu Your say that amd don't prefer the 3900x do the maths yourself 2 x 3600 = 380 and a 3900x at retauil is 479.99 a free markup there for very little efford on amd part So your point it amd will not vailied they want to sell more 3900x then ryzen 5 or 7 lol

AMd has put out a 3900x 12 core cpu for half the price of intel competing cpu And thats a lot to how amd can produce a cpu with chiplets instead of massive die for all 12 cores.

You can keep srpouting your views all over the forum but at the end of the day you really do not want to listern to other people views even when theya re right and you are so far right field you ahve no clue whats going on

 

[cliffy]

I can prove that you are a troll

please do. If be very interested in seeing that. I’ll leave you unlocked while you dig up the dirt

 

[4K8KW10]

The 2 die chiplet has allowed amd to sell the ryzen 9 at helf the cost of the intel 12 core. NOw are intel charging so much for there 12 core when it costs the same to produce as the i9 9900k ? Or is the yield and proiduction of the 12 core intel cpu a lot lower and costs a lot more Either way could be true. BUt i would imagine that the 12 core intel cpu would cost more then the i9 9900k to make and bring to market

Having a cpu That can take multi chiplets will drive down production costs and allow for amd to still make a profit and still come in at a reasonable price. For me personally the 3900x was a very good price point 12 cores 24 threads for less then 500 pounds. ontop of that it beats intel in so many ways and matches and slightly behind in others.

The 3900x is 2 x ryzen 3600 binned then added to same cpu Your say that amd don't prefer the 3900x do the maths yourself 2 x 3600 = 380 and a 3900x at retauil is 479.99 a free markup there for very little efford on amd part So your point it amd will not vailied they want to sell more 3900x then ryzen 5 or 7 lol

AMd has put out a 3900x 12 core cpu for half the price of intel competing cpu And thats a lot to how amd can produce a cpu with chiplets instead of massive die for all 12 cores.

You can keep srpouting your views all over the forum but at the end of the day you really do not want to listern to other people views even when theya re right and you are so far right field you ahve no clue whats going on

I think intel keeps the price of its 12-core offering, in particular, high for political reasons, rather than because of the cost of production.
Let's not forget that its official note is that everyone needs quad-cores and it is enough.

Ryzen 9 is willy waving, how haven't you understood that, yet?

 

[humbug]

I think intel keeps the price of its 12-core offering, in particular, high for political reasons, rather than because of the cost of production.
Let's not forget that its official note is that everyone needs quad-cores and it is enough.

Ryzen 9 is willy waving, how haven't you understood that, yet?

You don't think there is a demand for high core count CPU's in the lower price tiers, you're wrong.

 

[cliffy]

Ryzen 9 is willy waving, how haven't you understood that, yet?

Well I can tell you for a fact my 3900x is more than capable in game with the few percent potential difference not noticeable. When it comes to all the encoding I do though my 3900x Beats out Intel by a mile

 

[TrM]

I think intel keeps the price of its 12-core offering, in particular, high for political reasons, rather than because of the cost of production.
Let's not forget that its official note is that everyone needs quad-cores and it is enough.

Ryzen 9 is willy waving, how haven't you understood that, till now?

Political reasons dont you mean Intel are the best and we will just charge what we want and have people like you defend such companies. high prices and no real forward movment from the top dog Intel have been robbing us blind for many years so have nvidia samsung apple amd heck even windows has cost us so much over the years. But for the first time in many years i can acctully think about buying amd before it was only really intel cpu i could buy or reconmend. intel got caught sleeping now amd is a viable option again and thats good for all of us. Intel and amd pushing core count up more threads more performance Look at how far intel and amd ahve come since the 7700k THe 8700k and 9900k both amazing cpu really 2700x and 3700x also amazing cpu. And the only reason why they exsist is competion.

it doesnt matter if amd pull ahead of intel or intel pull ahead of amd We need both to stay competive for the first time in many eyars there is a need and a reason to upgrade..

if amd ryzen 9 is willy waving i feel really sorry for you i really do I buy the best pc i can for work and gaming and i want the ebst cpu and gpu i can get at the time i upgrade it just happened to be amd this as the 3900x to me is a betetr cpu then 9900k Im not loyal to either company but atm amd seem the better buy across most the range

 

[humbug]

I think intel keeps the price of its 12-core offering, in particular, high for political reasons, rather than because of the cost of production.

Its both political and financial, Intel don't want to admit they have inferior products, chasing AMD on pricing is admitting that, they also cannot afford to do that, their existence with as they currently stand depends on the high margins they currently enjoy.

However AMD's CPU's do have a lower production cost than Intel's.

 

[Hotwired]

Fascinating.

I'm being screenshotted as evidence to back up the numberplate name guy.

And like I said in that screenshot, I still don't see wtf he's on about.

Wait.

I'm AMD

WHY DIDN'T YOU LOT TELL ME.

 

[sideways14a]

Lmao this chaps off his head.
Its some superpower you have there, being able to put so many words consecutively on a page and yet have none of it make sense.

Must be special school day off.

 

[Randomface74]

worse than the brexit thread

 

[Doobedoo]

Are people still feeding 4k8kw10?

Seriously guys he’s like gavin on steroids just a quick look through his post history will confirm this, please learn how to use the ignore function for the forums sake.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Are people still feeding 4k8kw10?

Seriously guys he’s like gavin on steroids just a quick look through his post history will confirm this, please learn how to use the ignore function for the forums sake.

This ^

Gavintel and 4K belong on the ignore list

 

[LePhuronn]

He is on the ignore list, but until such time everybody else puts him on ignore then you get a forum full of half conversation. I've had suspensions for less than his incessant trolling, fevered babblings and outright insults. How he's not been permabanned I have no idea. But then again, it seems the mods only wade in when you call somebody a bad word; the number of his posts I've reported and sweet FA is done...

 

[pete910]

He is on the ignore list, but until such time everybody else puts him on ignore then you get a forum full of half conversation. I've had suspensions for less than his incessant trolling, fevered babblings and outright insults. How he's not been permabanned I have no idea. But then again, it seems the mods only wade in when you call somebody a bad word; the number of his posts I've reported and sweet FA is done...

They probably have him on their Ignore list too

 

[TrM]

Its both political and financial, Intel don't want to admit they have inferior products, chasing AMD on pricing is admitting that, they also cannot afford to do that, their existence with as they currently stand depends on the high margins they currently enjoy.

However AMD's CPU's do have a lower production cost than Intel's.

Intel will never admit to a inferior product they don’t have to they have other dell hp etc who do the talking for them intel are still the market leader in so many avenues. And can out sell intel in custom market but and can not get a foothold in the prebuilt machines from dell and others. Intel might have a inferior product but intel are by far the market leader.

Even if and Ryzen 9 4900x is faster in single core have 5ghz clock speed and better multi core cpu (I mean a allround better cpu and beats intel in every area) intel will still massively outsell it by quite a large margin.

Now I don’t know if this is due to intel marketing. Bad business practises. Or and just not got the customer confidence or that amd lack of marketing or bad marketing or just intel are to big and they can just ride being below and for a few years etc.

Lots of things can change but intel is a company that can just invest billions next week and pull them self back in a big way or they can just stick to there road map and internal plan and ride the amd wave.

Look I wish amd intel Nvidia etc was all equal but u go to a major prebuild site like dell hp and others and just look it’s intel every ware and mid range ones with gcards it normally Nvidia (but saying that amd 5700/X-ray does seem a popular option now on them.

Amd need to make inroads into that market since it is so much bigger then the custom market we enthusiasts love