Intel 4570 VS Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3

Boomstick777 · 12 Jun 2019 at 14:59

Is this a worthy upgrade for my old SFF PC?

For gaming, productivity, and multitasking, etc?

The Xeon has an extra four hyperthreaded cores, more cache, and higher clock speed.

Or did I just waste £50? xD

tamzzy · 12 Jun 2019 at 15:15

the older xeons (v1/v2) allowed multiplier overclocking
the haswell xeons are locked down, unfortunately.

depending on what you do, the hyperthreading can help improve performance by a considerable margin - if you were cpu bottlenecked previously.
if not, then no.

but for £50 i probably wouldn't call it a waste

Alexrose1uk · 12 Jun 2019 at 15:57

I went for a Xeon for my backup PC/HTPC which is also SFF, and from my experience I can tell no you didn't waste as they're a stronger all around chip. Also, they tend to be better binned and no IGP, so run slightly cooler/lower power than an equivalent i7

My Xeon is running cooler than my old I3 Haswell in general load, albeit slightly higher under full load which I compensated for by undervolting, and now temps are pretty similar; this despite being higher clocked, higher cores and higher threads. Cost me about £60-65 quid over the I3 sale so similar cost to you.

Boomstick777 · 12 Jun 2019 at 16:16

Cheers guys, I love my SFF lol, use it as HTPC in the bedroom now, great for games, movies, TV and Plex server.

If the Xeon will keep it going for few more years then worth the £50 xD

tamzzy · 12 Jun 2019 at 16:40

Boomstick777 said:
If the Xeon will keep it going for few more years then worth the £50 xD

definitely

pandem0nium · 14 Jun 2019 at 15:39

tamzzy said:
the older xeons (v1/v2) allowed multiplier overclocking
the haswell xeons are locked down, unfortunately.

depending on what you do, the hyperthreading can help improve performance by a considerable margin - if you were cpu bottlenecked previously.
if not, then no.

but for £50 i probably wouldn't call it a waste

I think it's just the older E5 1XXX Xeons which are multiplier unlocked.

Z77 boards allow some limited overclocking on all locked cpu's though.

tamzzy · 14 Jun 2019 at 15:53

pandem0nium said:
I think it's just the older E5 1XXX Xeons which are multiplier unlocked.

Yeah. Sandy and ivy xeons were multi unlocked.

pandem0nium said:
Z77 boards allow some limited overclocking on all locked cpu's though.

MCE and/or bclk overclocking only though on locked chips. Same as all z-series boards.

MaXxBoulton · 14 Jun 2019 at 20:15

simple question is

i5-4570 Processor

# of Threads4
Processor Base Frequency3.20 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency3.60 GHz

Processor E3-1231 v3

# of Threads8
Processor Base Frequency3.40 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 3.80 GHz

the xeon will destroy the i5

Lot of pepole are using the older xeons to replace 2500k's and there running game all day long.
this a little different to you but i know i 2500k at 4.5Ghz can't beat a 1275 v2 in any task other than single threaded stuff. the xeon kills it

pandem0nium · 15 Jun 2019 at 09:01

tamzzy said:
Yeah. Sandy and ivy xeons were multi unlocked.

MCE and/or bclk overclocking only though on locked chips. Same as all z-series boards.

Just the lga 2011 E5s, not the E3s.

MCE wasn't a thing at the time and it has never worked with non-k CPUs.

Z77 boards allow 400 MHz over the standard boost clocks. So my 3770 for example could run 4.1 on all cores.

tamzzy · 15 Jun 2019 at 09:19

pandem0nium said:
Just the lga 2011 E5s, not the E3s.

ah yes, my bad you're right

pandem0nium said:
MCE wasn't a thing at the time and it has never worked with non-k CPUs.

it does work with non-k cpus. that's where your "free" 400mhz comes from.
it boosts the all-core turbo to the speed of the single-core turbo at the expense of power/heat/(stability) and has been implemented since the sandy chips.
https://techreport.com/review/20188/intel-sandy-bridge-core-processors/3
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-gaming-overclock-build-a-pc,3443-7.html
though that being said...not all motherboards had this feature. it was initially heavily pushed by asus and asrock...only some gigabyte/msi boards had this feature at the time. granted it's now a standard feature since haswell+

pandem0nium · 15 Jun 2019 at 11:00

tamzzy said:
ah yes, my bad you're right

it does work with non-k cpus. that's where your "free" 400mhz comes from.
it boosts the all-core turbo to the speed of the single-core turbo at the expense of power/heat/(stability) and has been implemented since the sandy chips.
https://techreport.com/review/20188/intel-sandy-bridge-core-processors/3
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-gaming-overclock-build-a-pc,3443-7.html
though that being said...not all motherboards had this feature. it was initially heavily pushed by asus and asrock...only some gigabyte/msi boards had this feature at the time. granted it's now a standard feature since haswell+

The non- k overclocking on z77 isn't MCE, that's something that came later. And MCE doesn't work with non-k CPUs.

tamzzy · 15 Jun 2019 at 11:20

@pandem0nium
mce on a non-k chip is basically an all-core overclock to the max single-core turbo frequency
which in the sandy/ivy/haswell era is 4 speed bins = 400mhz

multicore enhancement is just the name asus calls it.
asrock calls it multicore acceleration
msi calls it enhanced turbo

MaXxBoulton · 15 Jun 2019 at 11:27

tamzzy said:
mce on a non-k chip is basically an all-core overclock to the max single-core turbo frequency
which in the sandy/ivy/haswell era is 4 speed bins = 400mhz

Nope. On my i5 6500 it gave me 100mhz extra on all cores. That was 200mhz under the single core turbo. It also put my vcore to 1.325v.

tamzzy · 15 Jun 2019 at 11:28

MaXxBoulton said:
i5 6500

tamzzy said:
which in the sandy/ivy/haswell era

read again please

pandem0nium · 15 Jun 2019 at 12:55

tamzzy said:
@pandem0nium
mce on a non-k chip is basically an all-core overclock to the max single-core turbo frequency
which in the sandy/ivy/haswell era is 4 speed bins = 400mhz

multicore enhancement is just the name asus calls it.
asrock calls it multicore acceleration
msi calls it enhanced turbo

Yes, that's what MCE is, but as I've said, it doesn't work on non-k chips. Many people for example thought that they could run a 8400 at 4.0 ghz all core boost, which isn't the case.

What's the 3770's single core boost - It's 3.9. Z77 boards allowed an all core boost of 4.1, up to 4.3 on a single core. So there's a difference as well.

You can't retrospectively call non-k overclocking on older boards MCE because you think it's a bit similar.

MaXxBoulton · 15 Jun 2019 at 14:02

tamzzy said:
read again please

what i am saying is MCE cant push the CPU to max turbo on all cores. it cant run the CPU passed what its locked to

pandem0nium said:
it doesn't work on non-k chips. Many people for example thought that they could run a 8400 at 4.0 ghz all core boost, which isn't the case

what he said

Boomstick777 · 17 Jun 2019 at 17:13

Grabbed the latest BIOS today, 2019 (Amazed they still update bios for this machine) XD

Installed the Xeon 1231 v3, after a lil panic (No boot then constant no post) It sprung to life !

Wasn't 100% if it would be compatible with HP elite-desk G1, but it is running awesome.

Weirdly temps are cooler, (Maybe the new paste?) everything seems fine. Games etc. Happy days. Hopefully get a few more years life from this old PC.

Bluntwrapped · 8 Aug 2019 at 17:29

Boomstick777 said:
Grabbed the latest BIOS today, 2019 (Amazed they still update bios for this machine) XD

Installed the Xeon 1231 v3, after a lil panic (No boot then constant no post) It sprung to life !

Wasn't 100% if it would be compatible with HP elite-desk G1, but it is running awesome.

Weirdly temps are cooler, (Maybe the new paste?) everything seems fine. Games etc. Happy days. Hopefully get a few more years life from this old PC.

Just found this thread after a quick search. I’m in the market for a v3 Xeon myself.

Some exciting news for you - the v3’s are hidden gems as with a bit of modding you can force all cores up to the max single core turbo

so all cores to 3.8GHz.

https://hardforum.com/threads/unlocking-max-turbo-bins-of-xeons-on-x99-1.1927809/

I’m looking at either the 14 or 16 core just wondering if I’ll be able to keep it cool enough. Can imagine the power consumption goes through the roof.

MaXxBoulton · 8 Aug 2019 at 17:35

Bluntwrapped said:
Some exciting news for you - the v3’s are hidden gems as with a bit of modding you can force all cores up to the max single core turbo so all cores to 3.8GHz.

This can be done with all cpus upto socket 1150 than I think Intel locked it. My skylake would do all core one bin under max single core

If you pick the right xeons they have unlocked multi

Bluntwrapped · 8 Aug 2019 at 17:39

MaXxBoulton said:
This can be done with all cpus upto socket 1150 than I think Intel locked it. My skylake would do all core one bin under max single core

If you pick the right xeons they have unlocked multi

I was looking at the more expensive v4 chips but now I know this is a thing v3 here I come.

I remember it being possible on desktop grade i5’s and i7’s with a compatible board but I didn’t appreciate it also works for the Xeons.

The 1680v3 is the best shout if you’re looking for one with an unlocked multi.