According to all the AMD fans, NVidia are doomed and AMD will take the helm but from a neutral perspective, I would be more worried about Intel than NVidia if I was an AMD fan. Intels first set of GPUs seem to be heading for the low/middle iteration of gamers, where AMD do well. Sure they can hit NVidia and AMD alike but I see it as a good thing and competition is healthy.
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Intel about to expand into Graphics, AMD on the rise, are the tables turning on nVidia?
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Exactly this, according to some NVidia don't do well in the low end so AMD could very well be hit much harder in this segment. depending on how well received the INTEL GPU's are received of course.
Myself I think that both will take a hit as I think that NVidia actually do quite well in the low end. Of course it is easy to forget that the people on here are mainly the enthusiasts, and we don't look at the market the same way that Joe average does.
Well the 512 EU core high end card might have something to say about that, we don't know anything about it though as it needs to run at a certain freq.
AMD does well with cards like RX 480/RX 57/80/RX 590/Vega 56/64 and RX 5700/XT.
The low end/mobile market is mostly dominated by nvidia's products and they should be hit exactly quite hard there.
There is little value in making sub $150 Discrete Graphics, there are no margins in them, The PCB and all its components, the Heat Sync, the Fans. Nvidia only do it to keep high OEM market presence.
Both AMD and Intel are moving to on Chip Graphics and memory, AMD's 5nm APU's 'Ryzen 5000 series' are slated to have RDNA2 integrated graphics with onboard HBM, Intel already have a facsimile of that with Integrated Radeon graphics but they are large and expensive, its the cost effectiveness of them that's been holding that idea back so far but AMD at least are getting a stage where its completely viable with the size and efficiency of RDNA 2, smaller, more efficient console style APU's.
Nvidia's long tern problems remains the lack of X86 and AMD64.
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BTW, Intel have a real fight on their hands with AMD in the X86_64 space right now, AMD are vastly outselling Intel in Retail and their new servers CPU's make Intel look generations old, AMD's "Rome" is 230% the performance of Intel's best Platinum Line while using less power and costing less.
AMD's top of the range 16 core 'Mainstream' waiting in the wings is already leaked, it convincingly beats Intel's soon to be released top on the line 18 core HEDT making that whole line DOA. this before AMD release their HEDT line.
Intel right now are more worried about AMD than Nvidia. an astonishing comeback and Intel look decidedly caught in the headlights.
AMD's top of the range 16 core 'Mainstream' waiting in the wings is already leaked, it convincingly beats Intel's soon to be released top on the line 18 core HEDT making that whole line DOA. this before AMD release their HEDT line.
Intel right now are more worried about AMD than Nvidia. an astonishing comeback and Intel look decidedly caught in the headlights.
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That's not true. What should happen is that the OEMs will build the machines intel CPU + intel GPU rather than intel CPU + nvidia GPU.
Or AMD CPU + AMD GPU. you're right but you've quoted the wrong text.
This is the whole point really, if Intel and AMD start making Discrete performance level integrated graphics in a small efficient singular package OEM's are going to save a lot of money not just in Discrete GPU costs but also design, manufacturing, internal space, battery life... if low to mid tier level graphics performance is all in a neat CPU sized all in one package.
Imaging in two years an RX 570 to 5700 performance level APU with 4 to 8GB of onborad video RAM.
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I very much doubt Intels initial GPU's will bother AMD or Nvidia too much.
Like this?
Useless End:
GT 710
GT 730
GT 1030
Low End:
GT 1050
GTX 1050TI
GTX 1650
GTX 1060 6GB
Mid Range:
RX 570
RX 580/590
GTX 1660
GTX 1660TI
GTX 1070
Vega 56
GTX 1070TI
Vega 64
RTX 2060
RTX 2060S
RX 5700
High End:
RTX 2070
RX 5700XT
RTX 2070S
Radeon VII
RTX 2080
RTX 2080S
Enthusiast:
RTX 2080TI
RTX Titan
Useless End:
GT 710
GT 730
GT 1030
Low End:
GT 1050
GTX 1050TI
GTX 1650
GTX 1060 6GB
Mid Range:
RX 570
RX 580/590
GTX 1660
GTX 1660TI
GTX 1070
Vega 56
GTX 1070TI
Vega 64
RTX 2060
RTX 2060S
RX 5700
High End:
RTX 2070
RX 5700XT
RTX 2070S
Radeon VII
RTX 2080
RTX 2080S
Enthusiast:
RTX 2080TI
RTX Titan
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That's also how I see it, They may manage 4K60 with software like checkerboard rendering & it'll look good but I imagine all the new AAA titles will be pushing the envelope by using ray-tracing & other performance hogging tech so it's very unlikely they'll manage a solid 4K60 in that kind of title.
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I fear for AMD GPUs far more especially if Intel comes out with a full product stack with XE, and not AMD's tactic of part of a product stack years late and not tackling leaving the high end to Nvidia for over 4 years.
With a third player nvidia's share will go down and the competition will be good for the consumer but I think its AMD that has the most the lose.
With a third player nvidia's share will go down and the competition will be good for the consumer but I think its AMD that has the most the lose.
If the RX570 is in the mid Range, then so should the 1060.
Agreed. If Intel take 20% of the market, that wont only be Nvidia GPUs, it will be AMD just as much if not more. NV at 80% market share and AMD at 20%, if they both shared the brunt then AMD would be down to a measly 10% with half the sales of Intel.
The AMD fans claim it is impossible for AMd to do wlel due to NV marketing and mindset, Intel wont achieve any better against NVidia, but AMD will be a much easier target.
Intel created their own problem.
Overshot on 10nm which still is absolutely crap.
Lost 7 years of die advantage and Ryzen is beating them on all fronts.
AMD has 5-7 generations to finetune their Ryzen before Intel is able to do anything about it.
That is the reality of the situation that Intel created for themselves.
I look forward the next gen Ryzen with ddr5 support and such 2021.
That be my next big upgrade as I been happy with my asus b350 plus and current 3600.
saved me cash, been an absolute blast and I foresee I be buying amd in both areas of cpu and gpu.
neither Intel or Nvida will go away unless some big change of innovation happens due to the die shrinkage is about to end.
5nm is the endline of feasible die so innovation towards faster and efficient will be needed as die shrinkage wont be doable anymore.
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Probably a good thing then that AMD are supplying the hardware powering next gen consoles. Although I have no idea how much financially that will pull in for AMD.