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Intel admits it won't catch up with AMD's 7nm chips until 2021

4K8KW10 said:
AMD will have maybe 16-cores. At £750 which is not a mainstream price. And £530 for the 12-core is not a mainstream price, either.
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What has price got to do with it ? Intel have had a mainstream cpu 9900k/s at 500-600 pounds people will always class that as mainstream cpu why isn’t the 3900x classed at least the same since price is is the same by your logic.

Secondly x370 x470 x570 is amd mainstream platform. And ofc there bxxx series counterparts and both the 3900x and 3950x both fit in the mainstream cpu socket which means that the Ryzen 9 is the top of there mainstream lineup just because prices blur the lines on what u think mainstream sould be.

You have said that 9900k is intel mainstream cpu and on ocuk I know this forum namesake:) the cpu for retails is not much cheaper then 3900x maybe if I brought from ocuk I could grab a meal at witherspoons on my way to pick it up :)

Oh and I hate to say it but me showing me epeen size again I paid 479.99 for my 3900x so to me personally it’s a 480 pound cpu :)
 
4K8KW10 said:
Because it's intel and it's 450 pounds, in fact:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £458.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)
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Not to sure how to add mine to this forum but the full retail vs full retail is 499.99 vs 529.99 atm on overclockers let’s do apples for apples shall we and the one you have added to your basket is a 9900 non k now u want people to buy intel cpu u can’t overclocks for 450 pounds come on man

So intel can charge a higher price for a cpu the amd coz it’s intel ?

Sorry but your arguments are all over the place first it’s price now your using a non oc cpu to prove your point? Why do intel still lock there cpu’s On desktop. Why haven’t intel majorly dropped prices on cpu’ why haven’t intel leaked there 10 series cpu’s Yet? So many more question to ask then why u think Ryzen 9 is to high a price or not classesd as a main stream cpu. The main question is why intel don’t have a answer to zen and amd at the moment.

Take it from someone who has a kicksss pc who actually ownes a cpu that is considered top of the line. Whilst I don’t think the intel 9900k 9700k etc are bad cpu’s There not and until Ryzen 3000 series they was faster and better at most things vs the 2700x but times have changed and Ryzen 9 is the new top dog and at 500 and properly 700 pounds amazing CPU’s although I do have a worrie about the 16 core on ddr duel rank though I do feel that 16 cores might be limited by mainstream parts we need good ram and stuff to feed the hungry beast
 
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TrM said:
Not to sure how to add mine to this forum but the full retail vs full retail is 499.99 vs 529.99 atm on overclockers let’s do apples for apples shall we and the one you have added to your basket is a 9900 non k now u want people to buy intel cpu u can’t overclocks for 450 pounds come on man

So intel can charge a higher price for a cpu the amd coz it’s intel ?

Sorry but your arguments are all over the place first it’s price now your using a non oc cpu to prove your point? Why do intel still lock there cpu’s On desktop. Why haven’t intel majorly dropped prices on cpu’ why haven’t intel leaked there 10 series cpu’s Yet? So many more question to ask then why u think Ryzen 9 is to high a price or not classesd as a main stream cpu. The main question is why intel don’t have a answer to zen and amd at the moment.

Take it from someone who has a kicksss pc who actually ownes a cpu that is considered top of the line. Whilst I don’t think the intel 9900k 9700k etc are bad cpu’s There not and until Ryzen 3000 series they was faster and better at most things vs the 2700x but times have changed and Ryzen 9 is the new top dog and at 500 and properly 700 pounds amazing CPU’s although I do have a worrie about the 16 core on ddr duel rank though I do feel that 16 cores might be limited by mainstream parts we need good ram and stuff to feed the hungry beast
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If I were you I wouldnt bother arguing with him, 4K8 is a well known shintel fanboy and a troll on this forum.

Back on topic though, I do think that AMD will probably do something pretty insane with 3rd gen Threadripper, where the gap between mainstream and HEDT will be large again. I can see Threadripper possibly starting at a base of 32 and going upto 64 cores.
 
What everybody seems to forget, especially 4K8K when he's crying into his mother's lap over AMD not giving him 1,000 cores for free, is HEDT is not about core counts, it's about the platform as a whole. Memory bandwidth, memory size, PCIe lanes, mass storage arrays, 10Gb ethernet, fibre connections, all of these things that do not exist (or have no place) on a mainstream platform.

Compare Z390 to X299 or X370/X470 to X399 and see what extra kit you get on the latter. THAT is what makes it HEDT. It just so happens that HEDT usually comes with more cores as well.

Ryzen 1000 topped at 8 cores, Threadripper 1000 started at 8 cores. Ryzen 2000 topped at 8 cores, Threadripper 2000 topped at 32 cores. There is no point in saying "but Ryzen 3000 tops at 16 cores so there's no point in HEDT" when Threadripper 3000 hasn't even been discussed, let alone available to buy. And even if Threadripper 3000 tops at 32 cores (which it won't) then that's still twice as many cores as Ryzen and still carries quad-channel RAM, 64 PCIe lanes, EEC RAM support as standard (it's an option on X3/4/570) and will likely go to 256GB RAM (at least).

That's the differentiator.
 
LePhuronn said:
What everybody seems to forget, especially 4K8K when he's crying into his mother's lap over AMD not giving him 1,000 cores for free, is HEDT is not about core counts, it's about the platform as a whole. Memory bandwidth, memory size, PCIe lanes, mass storage arrays, 10Gb ethernet, fibre connections, all of these things that do not exist (or have no place) on a mainstream platform.

Compare Z390 to X299 or X370/X470 to X399 and see what extra kit you get on the latter. THAT is what makes it HEDT. It just so happens that HEDT usually comes with more cores as well.

Ryzen 1000 topped at 8 cores, Threadripper 1000 started at 8 cores. Ryzen 2000 topped at 8 cores, Threadripper 2000 topped at 32 cores. There is no point in saying "but Ryzen 3000 tops at 16 cores so there's no point in HEDT" when Threadripper 3000 hasn't even been discussed, let alone available to buy. And even if Threadripper 3000 tops at 32 cores (which it won't) then that's still twice as many cores as Ryzen and still carries quad-channel RAM, 64 PCIe lanes, EEC RAM support as standard (it's an option on X3/4/570) and will likely go to 256GB RAM (at least).

That's the differentiator.
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Don't forget it's properly man sized! None of this pokey little cpu. TR is a proper bit of kit with man size proportions.
 
Vince said:
Don't forget it's properly man sized! None of this pokey little cpu. TR is a proper bit of kit with man size proportions.
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Oh God, don't give the AMD fanbois some new ammunition. "Don't bother with Intel's piddly little girl CPUs, you gotta install Threadripper with a goddamn screwdriver. Like a proper man".
 
LePhuronn said:
Oh God, don't give the AMD fanbois some new ammunition. "Don't bother with Intel's piddly little girl CPUs, you gotta install Threadripper with a goddamn screwdriver. Like a proper man".
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I'd welcome this angle given what I read on here every day. :D
 
LePhuronn said:
Although 4K8K will probably complain that the screwdriver isn't a ratchet design and they're falsely advertising the amount of wrist torque required to install the thing...
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Or that it is only a measly 4094 pins when they could have had 4096. Disappointing, I would never buy a product unless it has at the very least 4096 pins, they should be punished for this lack of pin'age! Meanwhile, elsewhere in the thread a 9900 (non k) at £450 quid is the new value king. I'm properly confused just in general, we can see where the land lies, there are reviews, news stories and tons of information available to us at the very tips of our fingers and we still seemingly have people attempting to **** into the wind. We all know what happens when you do that, it isn't pretty.
 
LePhuronn said:
Although 4K8K will probably complain that the screwdriver isn't a ratchet design and they're falsely advertising the amount of wrist torque required to install the thing...
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Sorry but in the IT sphere, there aren't that many things to be excited about. Years ago, we should have moved to 100% Ultra HD usage everywhere, driven by more powerful hardware.
Do you know how many people have problems with their eyes because of the low-quality monitors they sit in front?
 
4K8KW10 said:
Sorry but in the IT sphere, there aren't that many things to be excited about. Years ago, we should have moved to 100% Ultra HD usage everywhere, driven by more powerful hardware.
Do you know how many people have problems with their eyes because of the low-quality monitors they sit in front?
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The IT sphere, is that like vSphere? A central repository for all things IT?

Also do you know how many people come over to my desk and say "I don't know how you work on that 4k monitor everything looks so small, that would do my eyes in"

My people sit in front of 2 calibrated Z displays with HP dream colour and 99% of them are powered by Intel integrated. In the real IT sphere people get what meets the requirements of their job, not some 4k screen because hardware dictates you can. On my desk at work I have 2x 4k screens powered by tiny little hp 705 g4 mini rocking a Ryzen Pro 2400ge because its perfect for what I need and actually I just wanted to play with it. I also have my laptop again 4k which is an i7 8705g and vega 24cu. You don't need that much hardware to rock "ULTRA HD" in the environment you are referring to, intel integrated is probably fine.
 
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Vince said:
The IT sphere, is that like vSphere? A central repository for all things IT?

Also do you know how many people come over to my desk and say "I don't know how you work on that 4k monitor everything looks so small, that would do my eyes in"
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I see, they must be met with the Windows settings, and if necessary, send tickets to Microsoft and their software services providers for fixing the scaling issues, it's trivial and annoying:

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4K8KW10 said:
I see, they must be met with the Windows settings, and if necessary, send tickets to Microsoft and their software services providers for fixing the scaling issues, it's trivial and annoying:

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And then you hit apps that every business has that simply don't scale at all. We have a few apps that don't scale at all because they were built without forward vision many years ago and are made to work but never properly updated. businesses aren't on UHD because its expensive, offers no real benefit to 99% of users and has so many issues with scaling beyond 125% that it's isn't worth it. Besides, I bet those Z-Displays with DreamColour are better for your eyes than 90% of Ultra HD screens you could point me at.

I mean any system admin that RDP's into server 2008R2 (soon to be EOL) from native 4k will tell you just how bad these things can be. If you work in this industry try it yourself. at native 4k or even native 4k with 150% scaling, log into a 2008r2 server and then log out and log into a 2013/2016 server. Or even try and see what happens with scaled resolutions and its impact on the vSphere console, I can literally name so many instances where scaling puts road blocks in front of the job it's untrue, why introduce that issue?

After that try and make a valid argument for UHD in business right now.
 
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The main benefit of Ultra HD screen is the improved eyes fatigue. Your eyes would naturally tend to relax while in front of high-dpi screens.
This is why everyone loves to stay on their smartphones, and avoids the PCs as the plague.
 
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