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Intel announces three new Xeon architectures launching within next 2 years built on 3nm and 1.8nm

humbug said:
They are all leftovers from server designs, none of the make CPU's specifically for retail, they are all designed for servers.
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If AMD is capable of defeating Intel with server leftovers, imagine what they could achieve with a dedicated architecture for desktops. AMD is doing an incredibly impressive job, surpassing a company three times larger and financially more powerful, which specializes in desktop architecture. Bravo to AMD for their outstanding work! AMD and Nvidia are synonymous with success, dedication, vision, strategy, and more.
 
4GB means 4GB said:
If AMD is capable of defeating Intel with server leftovers, imagine what they could achieve with a dedicated architecture for desktops. AMD is doing an incredibly impressive job, surpassing a company three times larger and financially more powerful, which specializes in desktop architecture. Bravo to AMD for their outstanding work! AMD and Nvidia are synonymous with success, dedication, vision, strategy, and more.
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Are they? In most pricepoints Intel has better cpus, and that has been the case for like, the last few years or something?
 
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4GB means 4GB said:
If AMD is capable of defeating Intel with server leftovers, imagine what they could achieve with a dedicated architecture for desktops. AMD is doing an incredibly impressive job, surpassing a company three times larger and financially more powerful, which specializes in desktop architecture. Bravo to AMD for their outstanding work! AMD and Nvidia are synonymous with success, dedication, vision, strategy, and more.
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The X3D chips are the most focused desktop designs the market has seen in a long time.
 
The only tactic with Xeon that Intel can use against the far superior AMD is to give away Xeons for free or at a massive discount, which they have been doing for years. That's why they have been incurring losses year after year. However, they adhere to the principle of better to give for free than lose the customer completely. They cannot compete in terms of performance, power consumption, and core count.
 
4GB means 4GB said:
The only tactic with Xeon that Intel can use against the far superior AMD is to give away Xeons for free or at a massive discount, which they have been doing for years. That's why they have been incurring losses year after year. However, they adhere to the principle of better to give for free than lose the customer completely. They cannot compete in terms of performance, power consumption, and core count.
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Depends what the workload is TBH. Intel have some strengths. Intel can push most of the market to a position that fits Intel.
 
jigger said:
Lol, only in Bencher land.
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Uhm what? Intel offers much better MT and equal or better ST performance on every pricepoint. AMD cpus have pricecut after pricecut to try and compete. The 7600x launched to compete against the 13600k, and the 7700x against the 13700k. Both Intel parts were around 50 freaking % in MT performance. But yeah, in your land AMD is winning, lol
 
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Bencher said:
Uhm what? Intel offers much better MT and equal or better ST performance on every pricepoint. AMD cpus have pricecut after pricecut to try and compete. The 7600x launched to compete against the 13600k, and the 7700x against the 13700k. Both Intel parts were around 50 freaking % in MT performance. But yeah, in your land AMD is winning, lol
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Lol. Intel have nothing to worry about then…
You remind me of comical Ali.
 
jigger said:
Lol. Intel have nothing to worry about then…
You remind me of comical Ali.
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Oh, if only life were that simple. Intel is losing in all fields, and they still haven't sorted themselves out. They are highly fragmented, like Windows XP after four years of use. Here's an example of how much they have fallen as a brand: today's Intel needs individuals like Benchers to defend it, whereas that wasn't necessary before because Intel truly was a brand. But we're going off-topic. The topic is servers, and in that regard, AMD is absolutely superior, and even Nvidia is not sleeping with their ARM solution. The question is what kind of performance this hybrid architecture will provide. With Zen 5, AMD will likely increase the number of cores and use only full-fledged cores, unlike Intel's hybrid approach with small and big cores. Additionally, AMD is unlikely to lag behind in raw core count, and considering that only big cores are used, the difference could be significant in favor of AMD.
 
4GB means 4GB said:
Oh, if only life were that simple. Intel is losing in all fields, and they still haven't sorted themselves out. They are highly fragmented, like Windows XP after four years of use. Here's an example of how much they have fallen as a brand: today's Intel needs individuals like Benchers to defend it, whereas that wasn't necessary before because Intel truly was a brand. But we're going off-topic. The topic is servers, and in that regard, AMD is absolutely superior, and even Nvidia is not sleeping with their ARM solution. The question is what kind of performance this hybrid architecture will provide. With Zen 5, AMD will likely increase the number of cores and use only full-fledged cores, unlike Intel's hybrid approach with small and big cores. Additionally, AMD is unlikely to lag behind in raw core count, and considering that only big cores are used, the difference could be significant in favor of AMD.
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The case for an Intel server is definitely a difficult one to make, but the world runs on X86 servers and the demand is simply far too much for AMD alone, so even those that want AMD have no other choice but to buy Intel.

The Nvidia point is an interesting one, as the most Nvidia can hope for long term, is to make some money while doing the donkey work and growing the market for Intel and AMD.
 
jigger said:
Lol. Intel have nothing to worry about then…
You remind me of comical Ali.
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On the desktop in terms of performance, yeah, pretty much nothing. I mean there are people who won't buy Intel no matter how better they are - like you for example - but there is nothing intel can do about that.

Im sorry but it's just a fact that amd's latest R5 and R7 offerings can't even beat Intel's 2021 i5's and i7 cpus in MT performance. They are literally 2 generations behind in that regard. You know that's true that's why you aren't even trying to argue against it, but you just won't admit it either.
 
4GB means 4GB said:
Oh, if only life were that simple. Intel is losing in all fields, and they still haven't sorted themselves out. They are highly fragmented, like Windows XP after four years of use. Here's an example of how much they have fallen as a brand: today's Intel needs individuals like Benchers to defend it, whereas that wasn't necessary before because Intel truly was a brand. But we're going off-topic. The topic is servers, and in that regard, AMD is absolutely superior, and even Nvidia is not sleeping with their ARM solution. The question is what kind of performance this hybrid architecture will provide. With Zen 5, AMD will likely increase the number of cores and use only full-fledged cores, unlike Intel's hybrid approach with small and big cores. Additionally, AMD is unlikely to lag behind in raw core count, and considering that only big cores are used, the difference could be significant in favor of AMD.
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Using the same line of argument, AMD is losing in all fronts cause they need individuals like you to defend them?
 
Bencher said:
On the desktop in terms of performance, yeah, pretty much nothing. I mean there are people who won't buy Intel no matter how better they are - like you for example - but there is nothing intel can do about that.

Im sorry but it's just a fact that amd's latest R5 and R7 offerings can't even beat Intel's 2021 i5's and i7 cpus in MT performance. They are literally 2 generations behind in that regard. You know that's true that's why you aren't even trying to argue against it, but you just won't admit it either.
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People aren’t buying Intel because AMD have better options. That’s just the reality of the situation. If Intel had the better parts people would buy Intel.
 
Bencher said:
Uhm what? Intel offers much better MT and equal or better ST performance on every pricepoint. AMD cpus have pricecut after pricecut to try and compete. The 7600x launched to compete against the 13600k, and the 7700x against the 13700k. Both Intel parts were around 50 freaking % in MT performance. But yeah, in your land AMD is winning, lol
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Have you seen Intel's financials lately? @4GB means 4GB is right, Intel make 2% margins on datacentre, compared to AMD's 40%

Intel have debts of $49 Billion, they borrowed 12 billion in the last 6 months alone.

Compare that to AMD's $2.5 billion total.

Intel are worth $120 billion, again with $49 billion debts. AMD are worth over $200 billion.
 
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humbug said:
Have you seen Intel's financials lately? @4GB means 4GB is right, Intel make 2% margins on datacentre, compared to AMD's 40%

Intel have debts of $49 Billion, they borrowed 12 billion in the last 6 months alone.

Compare that to AMD's $2.5 billion total.

Intel are worth $120 billion, again with $49 billion debts. AMD are worth over $200 billion.
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And I care about Intel's financials why? I really don't care about that stuff. All I'm saying is, if they both fight / design their cpus for server first, and we are going to keep getting the leftovers.
 
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